IHSAA One-Time Transfer Rule Bill To Be Filed At Indiana Legislative Session

[Titan32]

1 minute ago, US31 said:

Gotch, I misread your previous post.  My point was only that if you can verify actual address change "out of previous district", I've never heard of IHSAA turning that down...I wasn't making a statement about it being automatic or not (which is what you were doing 😜).  I would assume it would take some really egregious evidence of undue influence.

I am also talking about a bonifide address move "out of district" they do get turned down and the IHSAA will work hard to turn them down if the sending schools says a single word against said move.

[Whiting89]

Free transfers has made the college game the best it has ever been

Don’t like it for high schools only benefit I see is the catholic schools willl have more competition  now 

[Irishman]

1 hour ago, US31 said:

Gotch, I misread your previous post.  My point was only that if you can verify actual address change "out of previous district", I've never heard of IHSAA turning that down...I wasn't making a statement about it being automatic or not (which is what you were doing 😜).  I would assume it would take some really egregious evidence of undue influence.

We had one several years ago. Kid was a RB coming from an FWCS school. He lived with mom and grandparent in FW. Dad......yes dad, lived in New Haven. He spent the 2nd semester of a school year in our building with every intention of playing football, even though he knew he had a code violation (3 games) suspension. The FWCS AD challenged it, and the IHSAA ruled him ineligible. And while a challenge was filed, the FWCS school told him if he comes back, they will lift the suspension, so he went back to that school. It's the first time I have ever been aware of the IHSAA ruling in a case where an actual address change took place, even though he had been a student here the entire 2nd semester of the prior school year. 

[Impartial_Observer]

On 1/13/2025 at 2:12 PM, gonzoron said:

Agree. Why is Neidig working with Legislators rather than just instituting the changes himself at the IHSAA? It doesn't make any sense.

The thinking on North Meridian is if you work with legislators, at the very least you have a seat at the table, if not you get what you get. 

[Football Guru 25]

5 hours ago, First_Backer_Inside said:

NFL Free Agency, NCAA Transfer Portal, and now the IHSAA Transfer Portal...what a rush. Might have to dedicate a part of the Gridiron Digest to where all the athletes around the state transfer to.

Coaches get your NIL money ready.

Im sure that NIL has happened in Indiana already just kept hush hush.... Let the transfers begin!!!

[PDB26]

On 1/13/2025 at 11:02 AM, Muda69 said:

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/high-school/2025/01/13/ihsaa-one-time-transfer-bill-to-be-filed-at-indiana-legislative-session-2025-transfers-policy-change/77661200007/?tbref=hp

The Indiana State Legislature sticking it's nose into where it doesn't belong.  The IHSAA is a private organization the last time I checked.  If certain of its members don't like the current transfer rules then they should lobby the IHSAA to change them,  not go running to the government.

 

 

 

 

Except, if I’m correctly remembering an opinion I read two years ago, Indiana courts treat the IHSAA as a state actor in matters regarding student access to participation in sports—with sports being an extension of education—and do not afford the IHSAA the same deference that a private membership association would get in all matters. So, from the perspective of athletics as educational opportunities, it does not seem wildly out of the general assembly’s lane to consider legislation on the matter.

[WestfieldRocks]

16 hours ago, Irishman said:

We had one several years ago. Kid was a RB coming from an FWCS school. He lived with mom and grandparent in FW. Dad......yes dad, lived in New Haven. He spent the 2nd semester of a school year in our building with every intention of playing football, even though he knew he had a code violation (3 games) suspension. The FWCS AD challenged it, and the IHSAA ruled him ineligible. And while a challenge was filed, the FWCS school told him if he comes back, they will lift the suspension, so he went back to that school. It's the first time I have ever been aware of the IHSAA ruling in a case where an actual address change took place, even though he had been a student here the entire 2nd semester of the prior school year. 

Not football, but sort of the same thing in this example. I had heard decades ago from someone that would know that it was common in  Marion County for high school basketball players to transfer among the Marion County schools by simply using the address of a parent one year, a grandparent one year, then maybe an uncle another year. So some were playing at different schools without either actually physically moving, or just living with the relative for the purpose of transferring. 

[Titan32]

17 hours ago, Irishman said:

We had one several years ago. Kid was a RB coming from an FWCS school. He lived with mom and grandparent in FW. Dad......yes dad, lived in New Haven. He spent the 2nd semester of a school year in our building with every intention of playing football, even though he knew he had a code violation (3 games) suspension. The FWCS AD challenged it, and the IHSAA ruled him ineligible. And while a challenge was filed, the FWCS school told him if he comes back, they will lift the suspension, so he went back to that school. It's the first time I have ever been aware of the IHSAA ruling in a case where an actual address change took place, even though he had been a student here the entire 2nd semester of the prior school year. 

I have two examples of bonified address changes to other districts that the sending school and IHSAA sent into limited eligibility, so multiple appeals had to be filed.

[crimsonace1]

17 hours ago, Irishman said:

We had one several years ago. Kid was a RB coming from an FWCS school. He lived with mom and grandparent in FW. Dad......yes dad, lived in New Haven. He spent the 2nd semester of a school year in our building with every intention of playing football, even though he knew he had a code violation (3 games) suspension. The FWCS AD challenged it, and the IHSAA ruled him ineligible. And while a challenge was filed, the FWCS school told him if he comes back, they will lift the suspension, so he went back to that school. It's the first time I have ever been aware of the IHSAA ruling in a case where an actual address change took place, even though he had been a student here the entire 2nd semester of the prior school year. 

Many years ago, a very high-profile basketball player transferred from New Castle to Anderson. Not sure what happened at Anderson over the summer, but she ended up back at New Castle. *Anderson* challenged the transfer based on it being for athletic reasons (which it clearly was, in both directions) and she had to sit out a year at New Castle even though she had played for NC as a freshman and a sophomore (and would play for them again as a senior). 

IIRC, Randy Zachary transferred from Anderson Highland to Anderson - and they did move - but Highland was graduating its entire front line, while Anderson was loaded (he and Mr. Basketball Kojak Fuller would've been in the same backcourt). Even though he moved to Anderson, the IHSAA denied the transfer and he ended up playing his senior season at Highland. 

 

[tango]

1 hour ago, WestfieldRocks said:

Not football, but sort of the same thing in this example. I had heard decades ago from someone that would know that it was common in  Marion County for high school basketball players to transfer among the Marion County schools by simply using the address of a parent one year, a grandparent one year, then maybe an uncle another year. So some were playing at different schools without either actually physically moving, or just living with the relative for the purpose of transferring. 

This happens all the time. 

[Irishman]

6 hours ago, WestfieldRocks said:

Not football, but sort of the same thing in this example. I had heard decades ago from someone that would know that it was common in  Marion County for high school basketball players to transfer among the Marion County schools by simply using the address of a parent one year, a grandparent one year, then maybe an uncle another year. So some were playing at different schools without either actually physically moving, or just living with the relative for the purpose of transferring. 

It was referred to as 3rd guardianship. And yep, it was (is?) fairly common. 

[jets]

22 hours ago, Titan32 said:

I have two examples of bonified address changes to other districts that the sending school and IHSAA sent into limited eligibility, so multiple appeals had to be filed.

And a State Championship to prove it! 🙃

(Sorry....couldn't resist)

 

[Titan32]

21 minutes ago, jets said:

And a State Championship to prove it! 🙃

(Sorry....couldn't resist)

 

It lives in your head, I can argue the details but I know when to consider my audience. LOL

[Football Guru 25]

Well.... did it pass today??   

[Titan32]

2 hours ago, Football Guru 25 said:

Well.... did it pass today??   

Anyone know the Bill number?

[gonzoron]

41 minutes ago, Titan32 said:

Anyone know the Bill number?

HB1492

1st reading scheduled 1/25/25

Edited January 16, 2025 by gonzoron

[Irishman]

3 hours ago, Football Guru 25 said:

Well.... did it pass today??   

It will be a while. This is a budget session, so those last 61 days. The bill is in the House now. If the house approves it, it waits with others for the midpoint of the session. I am not sure of the exact date, but it's called the crossover day. Everything that was passed in the house goes to the Senate, and vice versa. If a bill passes with no changes, it goes to the Governor. It is rare that a bill does that. If the bill passes with changes, it gets sent to a conference committee. The leaders of each party pick who is on the committee with a mix of representatives and senators. The make up of the committee by party matches the % of each party; so if the GOP has 60% of the seats in the Statehouse, they get to pick 60% of the committee members. The bill the conference committee passes goes back to each chamber for a full vote. If that passes, then it goes to the Governor to sign. 

[Titan76]

On 1/16/2025 at 2:56 PM, Irishman said:

It will be a while. This is a budget session, so those last 61 days. The bill is in the House now. If the house approves it, it waits with others for the midpoint of the session. I am not sure of the exact date, but it's called the crossover day. Everything that was passed in the house goes to the Senate, and vice versa. If a bill passes with no changes, it goes to the Governor. It is rare that a bill does that. If the bill passes with changes, it gets sent to a conference committee. The leaders of each party pick who is on the committee with a mix of representatives and senators. The make up of the committee by party matches the % of each party; so if the GOP has 60% of the seats in the Statehouse, they get to pick 60% of the committee members. The bill the conference committee passes goes back to each chamber for a full vote. If that passes, then it goes to the Governor to sign. 

Someone paid attention in Civics class.

[Irishman]

41 minutes ago, Titan76 said:

Someone paid attention in Civics class.

As a teacher seeing all the BS going on in the Statehouse, I learned a few details. 🙂

[Football Guru 25]

Anything still brewing on this item... seeing some guys moving around throughout the state....

 

[slicer28]

HB1064 originally started as a bill requiring cash to be accepted at school athletic events was amended to include the removal of "language prohibiting certain students from enrolling into a school corporation primarily for athletic reasons".  This bill was originally read and this amendment was voted on in the Education committee last week on 1/22.  It will be in front of the Education committee again today (very soon) where it appears it will be voted on again for advancement to the full house.

[Football Guru 25]

32 minutes ago, slicer28 said:

HB1064 originally started as a bill requiring cash to be accepted at school athletic events was amended to include the removal of "language prohibiting certain students from enrolling into a school corporation primarily for athletic reasons".  This bill was originally read and this amendment was voted on in the Education committee last week on 1/22.  It will be in front of the Education committee again today (very soon) where it appears it will be voted on again for advancement to the full house.

Good Deal!!!  This will be a good thing for students having that option!!

[Titan32]

Didn't I read somewhere that this is written in such a way that the transfer must be before Junior year?  If so that stinks.

[Football Guru 25]

7 minutes ago, Titan32 said:

Didn't I read somewhere that this is written in such a way that the transfer must be before Junior year?  If so that stinks.

I did not see that in the House Bill at all... but i agree if so it would be an unfair rule for upperclassman for sure!

[Plymouthfan91]

Why are they even wasting their time with this?  If a family moves the kids should get instant eligibility.  If they go to another school outside of residence then they get instant eligibility.  If they decide to transfer a second time no matter the reasons than they should have to sit a year.  It is four years of a kid's life but they need stability.  More than 2 High Schools in their life means athletics is the last thing they should be worried about.  

Also why do we not have NIL in Indiana High Schools?