USA Today Network media poll Week 2

[Footballking16]

1 hour ago, BTF said:

So they're not "terrible?" You're not stupid, actually one of the smarter posters on this forum, so I'll use your post as validation that Lafayette Jeff didn't beat a terrible program. 

I guess you can use “terrible” subjectively. They’ll be lucky to win more than 2 games this year. A team who hasn’t won more than 2 games in 4 consecutive seasons is what it is.

[temptation]

22 minutes ago, Bears62 said:

Jeff beat Westfield back in 2017 and Noblesville (4-3 in HCC that season) in 2018 in sectionals back-to-back years, yet I'm sure most are unaware. Like someone previously said, they are no slouch, they just rarely get the chance to prove themselves against quality competition due to the NCC being a pretty bad football conference overall.

Jeff also beat undefeated Crown Point 2 seasons ago on the road in Sectionals, before falling at home in Regionals by 1 to Carroll (who then beat HSE). People will come up with all sorts of excuses or reasoning to justify their opinion instead of giving credit where credit is due.

It may be a while until a Northern team gets to the level of beating a CG or BD or whoever the 6a big dog is, but with the volatility of high school football rosters year in and year out, it could happen sooner than a lot think. All it takes is a strong Junior & Senior class at a program that gets better every year to eventually get it done

Been waiting since the turn of the century…how much longer I gotta wait?

Edited August 28, 2024 by temptation

[Bears62]

8 minutes ago, temptation said:

Been waiting since the turn of the century…how much longer I gotta wait?

Couldn't tell ya. Hopefully soon for the sake of 6a Indiana hs football

[temptation]

33 minutes ago, Bears62 said:

Couldn't tell ya. Hopefully soon for the sake of 6a Indiana hs football

Well, hopefully my grandkids will see a large school state champion from a non 317 area code…

[US31]

28 minutes ago, temptation said:

Well, hopefully my grandkids will see a large school state champion from a non 317 area code…

463????? 😉

[Boilernation]

33 minutes ago, US31 said:

463????? 😉

Haha. I didn't even though that area code existed until your post.

[Tippy]

1 hour ago, temptation said:

Been waiting since the turn of the century…how much longer I gotta wait?

I would say about another 18 years.  Snider has been waiting 32 years to win the largest class in football and Penn has been waiting 24 years.  

[Justasportsfan]

50 minutes ago, Tippy said:

I would say about another 18 years.  Snider has been waiting 32 years to win the largest class in football and Penn has been waiting 24 years.  

Sweet ...I just had a son..lil chunky guy..he should b ready by then! 🏆😏

[FastpacedO]

11 hours ago, BTF said:

I should have stated "many", "most", or "by and large." By stating "everyone", that implied you as well. It does have it's flaws, but I think it gives a as good of a read on our sport as anything. It's just not the 'be all end all' like some think it is. 

I actually think this is a ridiculous conversation. To imply that that Avon is terrible is to imply that over 290 of Indiana's 316 are also "terrible." Indianapolis has dominated football for so long, and for the most part, still do. I hate that Indy posters get so defensive when a team from Indy does lose. Give Jeff some credit for crying out loud. 

Avon is terrible. You can use Sagarin all you want. I am going by the product on the field. I don't care about 316 teams. I am talking 6A the Class IHSAA has placed Avon in. If you want to look at better rankings look at Calpreps. They have Avon at #23 (just above North Central who has been just as bad for even longer). That is 23 out of 32. That is right where Avon belongs right now. The teams that are behind them: North Central, Elkhart, Perry Meridian, Lake Central, Northrop, Portage, Southport, Jeffersonville, and Arsenal Tech.

When you look at all 318 teams in the State of Indiana of course they will be above a bunch of them as they should be. Considering they are the 7th largest school in the State with 3,476 students they absolutely should be above many 1A, 2A, 3A and even 4A schools which adds up to over 2/3rds of the football playing schools. It is what it is. They should be much better than they are as the demographics of Avon is no different than Brownsburg. The towns neighbor each other and it is a 16 minute drive between the 2 schools and Ben Davis is a 18 minute drive from Avon. The fact remains they are not a good football team. Sorry if that burst your bubble and your thoughts on Lafayette Jeff, but Lafayette Jeff will have better competition from Harrison later in the year.  

[FastpacedO]

10 hours ago, Bears62 said:

Jeff beat Westfield back in 2017 and Noblesville (4-3 in HCC that season) in 2018 in sectionals back-to-back years, yet I'm sure most are unaware. Like someone previously said, they are no slouch, they just rarely get the chance to prove themselves against quality competition due to the NCC being a pretty bad football conference overall.

Jeff also beat undefeated Crown Point 2 seasons ago on the road in Sectionals, before falling at home in Regionals by 1 to Carroll (who then beat HSE). People will come up with all sorts of excuses or reasoning to justify their opinion instead of giving credit where credit is due.

It may be a while until a Northern team gets to the level of beating a CG or BD or whoever the 6a big dog is, but with the volatility of high school football rosters year in and year out, it could happen sooner than a lot think. All it takes is a strong Junior & Senior class at a program that gets better every year to eventually get it done

I haven't said anything about Lafayette Jeff not being a good team. They have consistently been solid. Not top tier in 6A, but very solid. They have a little ways to go to be in top tier of 6A as evidenced from their losses to Cathedral the last 2 years, but take nothing away from them they have been a solid 6A program. Their win over 41-28 win over Avon is not surprising and other than being a W not something to be boasted about because Avon is no where near being a Indy power the last few years. Avon is a combined 5-26 the last 3 years, in 2020 they were 5-5, they are 0-1 and very likely will be 0-7 before they possibly get the chance at a first win this season (Zionsville). It is extremely possible Avon could be 1-8 or 0-9 in the regular season this year. 

[BTF]

47 minutes ago, FastpacedO said:

Avon is terrible. You can use Sagarin all you want. I am going by the product on the field. I don't care about 316 teams. I am talking 6A the Class IHSAA has placed Avon in. If you want to look at better rankings look at Calpreps. They have Avon at #23 (just above North Central who has been just as bad for even longer). That is 23 out of 32. That is right where Avon belongs right now. The teams that are behind them: North Central, Elkhart, Perry Meridian, Lake Central, Northrop, Portage, Southport, Jeffersonville, and Arsenal Tech.

When you look at all 318 teams in the State of Indiana of course they will be above a bunch of them as they should be. Considering they are the 7th largest school in the State with 3,476 students they absolutely should be above many 1A, 2A, 3A and even 4A schools which adds up to over 2/3rds of the football playing schools. It is what it is. They should be much better than they are as the demographics of Avon is no different than Brownsburg. The towns neighbor each other and it is a 16 minute drive between the 2 schools and Ben Davis is a 18 minute drive from Avon. The fact remains they are not a good football team. Sorry if that burst your bubble and your thoughts on Lafayette Jeff, but Lafayette Jeff will have better competition from Harrison later in the year.  

Bubble not broken all the way over here in NE Indiana. Thanks for your insight.

Not sure why the narrative changes though when the HCC's bottom team takes the SAC's team to overtime. At that point, the HCC was "very good" from top to bottom. But whatever. 

Edited August 29, 2024 by BTF

[btownqbcoach1]

11 hours ago, Titan32 said:

No love for the Titans Coach....I thought we had "something" LOL.

Absolutely you do. Love your place, truly. 

Not too "central" for many teams is the only reason you were excluded. 

[Goose Liver]

On 8/27/2024 at 12:27 PM, Footballking16 said:

My belief that there are 6-8 6A teams in Central Indiana better than Crown Point, 3 or 4 of them who would all win going away. 

Maybe 1 or 2... 3 to 4 get out of town.

[temptation]

38 minutes ago, Goose Liver said:

Maybe 1 or 2... 3 to 4 get out of town.

Hear this every year.

The 6A south regionals/semi state will once again be the state title game(s).

Edited August 29, 2024 by temptation

[FastpacedO]

1 hour ago, BTF said:

Bubble not broken all the way over here in NE Indiana. Thanks for your insight.

Not sure why the narrative changes though when the HCC's bottom team takes the SAC's team to overtime. At that point, the HCC was "very good" from top to bottom. But whatever. 

Please do elaborate? Where have I stated anything about a HCC bottom team taking a SAC team to overtime? SAC vs HCC match-ups thus far. Brownsburg 42 FW Dwenger 13, HSE 45 Carroll 21. I guess I don't understand how Avon HCC team that is not good at all and Laff Jeff NCC solid team has to do with HCC vs SAC. Better yet how it has to do with Avon being terrible the last few years.

[Footballking16]

2 hours ago, FastpacedO said:

Avon is terrible. You can use Sagarin all you want. I am going by the product on the field. I don't care about 316 teams. I am talking 6A the Class IHSAA has placed Avon in. If you want to look at better rankings look at Calpreps. They have Avon at #23 (just above North Central who has been just as bad for even longer). That is 23 out of 32. That is right where Avon belongs right now. The teams that are behind them: North Central, Elkhart, Perry Meridian, Lake Central, Northrop, Portage, Southport, Jeffersonville, and Arsenal Tech.

When you look at all 318 teams in the State of Indiana of course they will be above a bunch of them as they should be. Considering they are the 7th largest school in the State with 3,476 students they absolutely should be above many 1A, 2A, 3A and even 4A schools which adds up to over 2/3rds of the football playing schools. It is what it is. They should be much better than they are as the demographics of Avon is no different than Brownsburg. The towns neighbor each other and it is a 16 minute drive between the 2 schools and Ben Davis is a 18 minute drive from Avon. The fact remains they are not a good football team. Sorry if that burst your bubble and your thoughts on Lafayette Jeff, but Lafayette Jeff will have better competition from Harrison later in the year.  

Bingo

[temptation]

Poor Avon over here catching strays.  The truth lies somewhere in the middle.  

I would not use "terrible" to describe the Orioles by any stretch.  They are in the most brutal conference in Indiana and play in the highest classification possible. 

If we are using "terrible" to describe Avon, what adjective are we using for Tech and Perry Meridian?

On the other hand, flexing about Jeff beating Avon is a bit much for me.  

Edited August 29, 2024 by temptation

[BTF]

1 hour ago, temptation said:

Poor Avon over here catching strays.  The truth lies somewhere in the middle.  

I would not use "terrible" to describe the Orioles by any stretch.  They are in the most brutal conference in Indiana and play in the highest classification possible. 

On the other hand, flexing about Jeff beating Avon is a bit much for me.  

Thank you.

You want victories over the HCC & MIC from other areas of the state, you've got one. Cut the Bronchos some slack. Jeff beat a team from the most brutal conference by multiple scores, let them flex for awhile. 

1 hour ago, FastpacedO said:

Please do elaborate? Where have I stated anything about a HCC bottom team taking a SAC team to overtime? SAC vs HCC match-ups thus far. Brownsburg 42 FW Dwenger 13, HSE 45 Carroll 21. I guess I don't understand how Avon HCC team that is not good at all and Laff Jeff NCC solid team has to do with HCC vs SAC. Better yet how it has to do with Avon being terrible the last few years.

Never said you did. Only a few on this forum will know what I'm referencing. 

[Footballking16]

1 hour ago, temptation said:

If we are using "terrible" to describe Avon, what adjective are we using for Tech and Perry Meridian?

Again, it's subjective. Avon isn't "terrible" if you're comparing them LaVille or Union County or Tecumseh...but again what is the relevancy there? As a 6A school they are in a lower tier. In regards to their hierarchy in Central Indiana? They're pretty bad. You're exactly right in the sense that no school should be thumping their chest about beating a team who is going to end the year with 1 or 2 wins. 

[BTF]

18 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

Again, it's subjective. Avon isn't "terrible" if you're comparing them LaVille or Union County or Tecumseh...but again what is the relevancy there? As a 6A school they are in a lower tier. In regards to their hierarchy in Central Indiana? They're pretty bad. You're exactly right in the sense that no school should be thumping their chest about beating a team who is going to end the year with 1 or 2 wins. 

If Avon beat Jeff, you guys would be touting how good the HCC is from top to bottom like you all did in 2019 when winless Noblesville took SAC champ Homestead to overtime. Now that Jeff gets a nice win, Avon is "bad" and "terrible." 

I spent some time looking back on older threads and I don't see any references to "bad" and "terrible" when Avon lost to Brownsburg by 5pts last season. Unless of course you have reason to believe they are worse this year than they were last. 

[Footballking16]

3 minutes ago, BTF said:

If Avon beat Jeff, you guys would be touting how good the HCC is from top to bottom like you all did in 2019 when winless Noblesville took SAC champ Homestead to overtime. Now that Jeff gets a nice win, Avon is "bad" and "terrible." 

I spent some time looking back on older threads and I don't see any references to "bad" and "terrible" when Avon lost to Brownsburg by 5pts last season. Unless of course you have reason to believe they are worse this year than they were last. 

Avon has won 5 games in 3 years. Enough!

[foxbat]

23 hours ago, tango said:

I think it would be a big challenge to get boosters to work gates, concessions, etc. in late November if their school wasn't participating. 

Those universities also have games in November. Concession revenue for Purdue or IU from a couple thousand people is not going to move the needle enough to make the venture worthwhile. The IHSAA adding the additional costs to the ticket price would drive down attendance even more than having two schools drive to a neutral site.

The reason Lucas Oil works is because the Colts cover the costs of the facility. 

I agree with this; especially with regard to concessions revenue.  Other questions that I would have would also be concerning security.  Would larger venues require more security even for small-than-usual crowds?  For example, yes, you can probably restrict some seating at Ross-Ade for a local high school game, but there's still a decent amount of acreage and "nooks and crannies" to cover.  Would there be an added cost of security and, if so, I'm assuming ticket costs need to be increased to cover that. 

For concessions, I think that provides the biggest issue for most programs.  As a current parent and a former coach, concessions are a tough item.  It's hard enough to get folks to work home concessions much less telling them that they are going to have to travel on the road and then work concessions at someone else's facilities, then stick around and do clean-up before being able to get back on the road again.  Note that places like Purdue "farm out" some of their concessions and clean-up to local organizations ... plenty of youth program families get paid to work the Purdue games.  It's actually a pretty good deal, but I also suspect that Purdue is more than willing to pay well 1) because of the sheer size and 2) the revenues generated.  Neither of these would be present though during high school games; at least not at the level that makes it feasible for them to take that on.  With that said, potentially you could get a network of colleges/universities to cover the facility costs as part of "giving back to the community" if there was a school from their area that could potentially be in the mix by semi-state.  Of course, the other issue is who will have their stadium empty on that weekend pending their own schedules ... which will certainly take precedence.

[BTF]

On 8/29/2024 at 10:27 AM, Footballking16 said:

Avon has won 5 games in 3 years. Enough!

Avon 7, Ben Davis 0

Halftime

Right now I have Lafayette Jeff ranked ahead of Ben Davis.

[roaringthunderdlr]

On 8/26/2024 at 9:09 PM, Bears62 said:

I get there’s only been 1 week but Whiteland receiving a first place vote, and even being 2nd in 5a is a crime following a 14 point home win over a program who was 0-10 last year.

In addition, Concord, Lafayette Jeff, and even Kokomo are more deserving of a spot than Plainfield

Keep telling me how undeserving we are when we're 5-0 and about to host Decatur Central.

[Bears62]

9 hours ago, roaringthunderdlr said:

Keep telling me how undeserving we are when we're 5-0 and about to host Decatur Central.

It’s not that deep dude. No need to be that upset over the 10th spot in a Week 2 poll lol. Sorry your Week 1 4 point win at home over a Terre Haute school didn’t blow my socks off