Reminder. Pioneer is.

[Coach Nowlin]

A 1a school playing in 2a due to success factor

Atta boys Panthers.   You know I love my small school football !!!

[Gipper]

3 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said:

A 1a school playing in 2a due to success factor

Atta boys Panthers.   You know I love my small school football !!!

Same here.

[AG]

Go Panthers! This is a game that will be talked about for decades to come.

[BoomBoomMcGee]

I never thought I would ever see a 1A beat a 6A...2020 has been one for the books already!   😳

[Whiting89]

I guess the region is inferior to rest of the state. I guess we will stick to being the economic engine and cultural center of the state. 

[psaboy]

9 hours ago, BoomBoomMcGee said:

I never thought I would ever see a 1A beat a 6A...2020 has been one for the books already!   😳

Has there ever been a 1A beating a 6A or 5A for that matter in the past, other than last night?

[Guest DT]

A little embarrassing for Chesterton and the Duneland Conference.

What impact will a loss like this have on the psyche of this team?  

Or do kids even think that way anymore?  Just another game?  Just anotherr team?

 

Just another loss?  No big deal?

[Gipper]

It improves the psyche for small school teams across the state.   The DAC is the DAC, they’ll be fine.

[Gipper]

10 hours ago, Whiting89 said:

I guess the region is inferior to rest of the state. I guess we will stick to being the economic engine and cultural center of the state. 

Sucks to be us.

[Olympian06]

11 hours ago, Whiting89 said:

I guess the region is inferior to rest of the state. I guess we will stick to being the economic engine and cultural center of the state. 

That wouldn’t be a bad idea. 

[Whiting89]

Is this team as good as the 97 state champ team I believe first team ever to go 15-0?

[FCGriz]

The other David versus Goliath game last night was New Albany (5A) at Eastern Hancock (a small 2A).  New Albany, who beat a pretty good Bloomington South team in week 1, held on to defeat the Royals 50-43!

[Olympian06]

1 hour ago, FCGriz said:

The other David versus Goliath game last night was New Albany (5A) at Eastern Hancock (a small 2A).  New Albany, who beat a pretty good Bloomington South team in week 1, held on to defeat the Royals 50-43!

In terms of size I would say it was David vs Goliath, as for NA I don’t believe they are a very good team. Maybe the 3rd best team in the HHC and its a pretty far gap between them and the top 2 teams in that conference. Was hoping the small school would pull it off. 

[Muda69]

Yet another example why the simplistic primarily enrollment base classification system used by the IHSAA is flawed.  It's overwhelmingly about program, not size. 

And only a system of promotion and relegation  would crown a true Indiana state football champion.

 

[Coach Nowlin]

3 hours ago, Whiting89 said:

Is this team as good as the 97 state champ team I believe first team ever to go 15-0?

I would say the Jack Kiser led Pioneer panther team his SR would be who'd I vote for as best Pioneer team, over the 1997 team.   

 

[Woody_Hayes]

Want to know a secret? Want to know why some teams seem to have a knack for winning the big games? 
 

It’s a mentality developed by searching out the best teams you can find to compete against. Competition like that takes away the fear of losing. And going into a big game, if there’s no fear of losing, chances are you’re going to win. 
 

Coach Berry and his program are awesome. I’m a big fan.

[wrcsage]

7 minutes ago, Woody_Hayes said:

Want to know a secret? Want to know why some teams seem to have a knack for winning the big games? 
 

It’s a mentality developed by searching out the best teams you can find to compete against. Competition like that takes away the fear of losing. And going into a big game, if there’s no fear of losing, chances are you’re going to win. 
 

Coach Berry and his program are awesome. I’m a big fan.

I agree 100%!  It really doesn’t hurt to lose a regular season game.  And...if you don’t lose it, think about the confidence your team has gained from it.  It’s too bad some teams/programs/coaches hide behind beating up on all of the poor sisters all of the time...even when they have the cats to compete.  

[Knoxcounty83]

Congratulations to Pioneer!!!

[BendNotBreak]

1 hour ago, Woody_Hayes said:

Want to know a secret? Want to know why some teams seem to have a knack for winning the big games? 
 

It’s a mentality developed by searching out the best teams you can find to compete against. Competition like that takes away the fear of losing. And going into a big game, if there’s no fear of losing, chances are you’re going to win. 
 

Coach Berry and his program are awesome. I’m a big fan.

Should Pioneer petition the NIC for membership? 

[dcjjones]

Nice job Panthers!!

[Coach Nowlin]

18 hours ago, Woody_Hayes said:

Want to know a secret? Want to know why some teams seem to have a knack for winning the big games? 
 

It’s a mentality developed by searching out the best teams you can find to compete against. Competition like that takes away the fear of losing. And going into a big game, if there’s no fear of losing, chances are you’re going to win. 
 

Coach Berry and his program are awesome. I’m a big fan.

Exactly our thought process when we are able to set our summer schedule 

[LaSalle Lions 1976]

I would assume Chesterton Schools have at least 3 junior highs and maybe 9 elementary schools.

Pioneer has one of each.  Kids have known each other for a very long time.

Chemistry comes much easier.

[SL816]

7 hours ago, LaSalle Lions 1976 said:

I would assume Chesterton Schools have at least 3 junior highs and maybe 9 elementary schools.

Pioneer has one of each.  Kids have known each other for a very long time.

Chemistry comes much easier.

1 middle school, 1 intermediate school, and 5 elementary. Chesterton kids play together in Pop Warner from 5-12 years old then in middle school. They know each other as well as the Pioneer kids know each other. Coaching, execution, desire.......

[JustRules]

On 8/29/2020 at 2:19 PM, Muda69 said:

Yet another example why the simplistic primarily enrollment base classification system used by the IHSAA is flawed.  It's overwhelmingly about program, not size. 

And only a system of promotion and relegation  would crown a true Indiana state football champion.

 

The system is intended to have the worst team in one class to be better than the best team from the next class. That's a flaw in your expectation. There will always be teams in a lower class that can beat teams in a higher class. Just because you have a larger number of students doesn't mean you will always better. In a macro sense it will be true but not in a micro sense.

Sagarin isn't the best measure and may be skewed a little because of their win Friday, but Pioneer would be the 18th ranked team out of 32 in 6A.

[Muda69]

19 minutes ago, JustRules said:

The system is intended to have the worst team in one class to be better than the best team from the next class. That's a flaw in your expectation. There will always be teams in a lower class that can beat teams in a higher class. Just because you have a larger number of students doesn't mean you will always better. In a macro sense it will be true but not in a micro sense.

Sagarin isn't the best measure and may be skewed a little because of their win Friday, but Pioneer would be the 18th ranked team out of 32 in 6A.

Agreed, this 'overlap' for lack of a better term will always be there.   But I firmly believe it will be minimized when enrollment is completely removed from the classification equation.