itiswhatitis Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 Okay so I was bored. Over the years there have been a lot of arguments (some of them heated) over who plays no one and who plays a meat grinder for a schedule. I thought I'd check to see who played the toughest schedules in 2A. I used the Sagarin ratings for this list. I have the school and their state rank for their schedule. I only used the top 15 since most years that is where the eventual champion comes from. Here ya go: 1) Ft. Wayne Luers 23 2) Evansville Mater Dei 61 3) Speedway 89 4) Cascade 98 5) Monrovia 101 6) Rensselaer Central 106 7) Shennandoah 109 8 Woodlan 114 9) Providance 115 10) Eastern Pekin 118 11) WInchester 119 12) Lewis Cass 124 13) Linton Stockton 130 14) Scecina 144 15) Triton Central 146 Keep in mind these are the ratings for this week. They will change from week to week depending on the opponent. Again, I was bored. And I apologize if I left someone out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purdue Pete Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 Was surprised to see woodlan on this list given they play in ACAC. What are they doing scheduling SB Adams and Leo non-Conf? Need to dial the level of difficulty WAY back until they get their feet back under them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 27 minutes ago, Purdue Pete said: Was surprised to see woodlan on this list given they play in ACAC. What are they doing scheduling SB Adams and Leo non-Conf? Need to dial the level of difficulty WAY back until they get their feet back under them. It had been Marion Local (many Ohio state championships) and Lima Central Catholic. This is a step down. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishuncle411 Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 3 hours ago, itiswhatitis said: Okay so I was bored. Over the years there have been a lot of arguments (some of them heated) over who plays no one and who plays a meat grinder for a schedule. I thought I'd check to see who played the toughest schedules in 2A. I used the Sagarin ratings for this list. I have the school and their state rank for their schedule. I only used the top 15 since most years that is where the eventual champion comes from. Here ya go: 1) Ft. Wayne Luers 23 2) Evansville Mater Dei 61 3) Speedway 89 4) Cascade 98 5) Monrovia 101 6) Rensselaer Central 106 7) Shennandoah 109 8 Woodlan 114 9) Providance 115 10) Eastern Pekin 118 11) WInchester 119 12) Lewis Cass 124 13) Linton Stockton 130 14) Scecina 144 15) Triton Central 146 Keep in mind these are the ratings for this week. They will change from week to week depending on the opponent. Again, I was bored. And I apologize if I left someone out. 5 of the top 15 are in the ICC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itiswhatitis Posted September 19, 2020 Author Share Posted September 19, 2020 33 minutes ago, irishuncle411 said: 5 of the top 15 are in the ICC Yeah, the ICC is a really good conference. A few state chamions come from that conference in recent years not to mention a few blue rings also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hick Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 Andrean is #171. They've played 2 6A's (including sagarin #8 Merrillville) and 3 4A's so far. In the final 4 weeks they have three more 4A schools (Sagarin #21, 63, 71) and 5A school. They easily have a top 5, if not higher, 2A schedule. 6A (2) 5A (1) 4A (5) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxbat Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 6 hours ago, itiswhatitis said: Okay so I was bored. Over the years there have been a lot of arguments (some of them heated) over who plays no one and who plays a meat grinder for a schedule. I thought I'd check to see who played the toughest schedules in 2A. I used the Sagarin ratings for this list. I have the school and their state rank for their schedule. I only used the top 15 since most years that is where the eventual champion comes from. Here ya go: 6) Rensselaer Central 106 12) Lewis Cass 124 These are two of the three 2A schools in the Hoosier Conference, but they are in different divisions ... RCHS in the West and Cass in the East. I'm assuming the difference between Tipton not being on the list and Cass being on it, from the East, is that Cass plays Pioneer and South Adams while Tipton's two non-conference opponents are Elwood and Heritage Christian. Of interest is that Cass's opponents that are making it a tougher schedule are a pair of tough 1A classified school even though Pioneer is serving time in 2A under SF. RCHS gets LCC and West Lafayette this year, and every year, from within the conference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itiswhatitis Posted September 20, 2020 Author Share Posted September 20, 2020 1 hour ago, hick said: Andrean is #171. They've played 2 6A's (including sagarin #8 Merrillville) and 3 4A's so far. In the final 4 weeks they have three more 4A schools (Sagarin #21, 63, 71) and 5A school. They easily have a top 5, if not higher, 2A schedule. 6A (2) 5A (1) 4A (5) Go back and look at my original post. I did say I used this week's ratings and the ratings will change from week to week depending on the opponent. No need to argue that a team SHOULD BE higher. If you think it's wrong, take up the argument with Sagarin. It's his numbers that I used. Andrean at 171 didn't make the list this time. They probably will in the future. Linton sits at #130 this week but have all lower ranked teams left on their schedule. They will more than likely drop off this list after another game or two. Like I said, it changes weekly. And I DID say, "I was bored". 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XStar Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 MD and Linton-Stockton for the 2A title. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainobvious Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 51 minutes ago, XStar said: MD and Linton-Stockton for the 2A title. Never happen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWFan Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, captainobvious said: Never happen! His post needs a sarcasm font. Hes aware. Haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hick Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 2 hours ago, itiswhatitis said: Go back and look at my original post. I did say I used this week's ratings and the ratings will change from week to week depending on the opponent. No need to argue that a team SHOULD BE higher. If you think it's wrong, take up the argument with Sagarin. It's his numbers that I used. Andrean at 171 didn't make the list this time. They probably will in the future. Linton sits at #130 this week but have all lower ranked teams left on their schedule. They will more than likely drop off this list after another game or two. Like I said, it changes weekly. And I DID say, "I was bored". I read your post. Now go back and read mine. Nothing I said was negative about your post, nor sagarin. In fact I didn't even mention your post. I also didn't say their current SOS was wrong. Honestly, I have no clue wtf you're so butt hurt about...you're a little sensitive for me hoss. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStatGuy Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 3 hours ago, foxbat said: These are two of the three 2A schools in the Hoosier Conference, but they are in different divisions ... RCHS in the West and Cass in the East. I'm assuming the difference between Tipton not being on the list and Cass being on it, from the East, is that Cass plays Pioneer and South Adams while Tipton's two non-conference opponents are Elwood and Heritage Christian. Of interest is that Cass's opponents that are making it a tougher schedule are a pair of tough 1A classified school even though Pioneer is serving time in 2A under SF. RCHS gets LCC and West Lafayette this year, and every year, from within the conference. Cass also plays western, Hamilton heights and WL. Thats a brutal schedule With SA, Pioneer, Tipton, WL, and Western. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainobvious Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 SOS??? Who cares! The road to the 2 A championship goes directly through Marion, IN (EASTBROOK)! Hope to see all of you there!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itiswhatitis Posted September 20, 2020 Author Share Posted September 20, 2020 9 hours ago, hick said: I read your post. Now go back and read mine. Nothing I said was negative about your post, nor sagarin. In fact I didn't even mention your post. I also didn't say their current SOS was wrong. Honestly, I have no clue wtf you're so butt hurt about...you're a little sensitive for me hoss. I've read yours and why I was replying to it. I don't see why you are so upset (In your opinion) over Andrean's SOS being wrong. Like I said, take it up with Sagarin if you think it's wrong. I only used Sagarin's numbers. Not "butt hurt" or "sensitive" al all here. Don't try to make something out of nothing. Moving on. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxbat Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 10 hours ago, TheStatGuy said: Cass also plays western, Hamilton heights and WL. Thats a brutal schedule With SA, Pioneer, Tipton, WL, and Western. I was looking mainly at the difference, as Tipton also plays Western and Heights as they all belong to Hoosier Conference East. The other difference could be WL, which is a crossover HC game this year for Cass. But Cass will likely get either RCHS or LCC ... or both ... next season, so it tends to be a similar tradeoff from season to season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobref Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 20 hours ago, hick said: Andrean is #171. They've played 2 6A's (including sagarin #8 Merrillville) and 3 4A's so far. In the final 4 weeks they have three more 4A schools (Sagarin #21, 63, 71) and 5A school. They easily have a top 5, if not higher, 2A schedule. 6A (2) 5A (1) 4A (5) No question. They play no one lower than a 4A, and those are no cream puffs: New Prairie, Hobart, Lowell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
36_Belly Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Eastbrook has proven the last few seasons that schedule strength means squat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hick Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 42 minutes ago, 36_Belly said: Eastbrook has proven the last few seasons that schedule strength means squat. Talk of any team OP didn't mentioned in the week 5 SOS will put his/her panties in a wad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XStar Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 1 hour ago, 36_Belly said: Eastbrook has proven the last few seasons that schedule strength means squat. They proved that they have been able to compete with almost anyone in 2A in spite of their terrible conference schedule (which is worse this year than it was when Mississinewa was legit the past few years). I wouldn't say they proved it means nothing across the board for everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
36_Belly Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 2 hours ago, XStar said: They proved that they have been able to compete with almost anyone in 2A in spite of their terrible conference schedule (which is worse this year than it was when Mississinewa was legit the past few years). I wouldn't say they proved it means nothing across the board for everyone. Agreed. I should've worded that a little different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hhpatriot04 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 It should be noted that Mater Dei's SoS is now affected because they play in a "closed" conference schedule. How so? I don't know. Still all of their opponents are now: three 3A, four 4A, and one 5A school. All but two of their opponents are sectional contenders -- some might need a good draw, but those remaining six will likely produce a 4A and 5A sectional champion, along with Mater Dei in 2A. In most recent years, Evansville Memorial would be a sectional favorite in 3A, but now plays in 4A (success factor) and is in a bit of a rebuilding year, but won't be an easy out in the 4A tournament, nor will Vincennes Lincoln in 3A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysander Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 As a fan, I personally can’t stand closed conferences. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazed and confused Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 On 9/20/2020 at 12:41 AM, captainobvious said: SOS??? Who cares! The road to the 2 A championship goes directly through Marion, IN (EASTBROOK)! Hope to see all of you there!! On 9/20/2020 at 8:26 PM, 36_Belly said: Eastbrook has proven the last few seasons that schedule strength means squat. while I agree mostly I can't help but wonder if the ring color would be different had regular season been tougher if that makes sense,,,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hhpatriot04 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 27 minutes ago, dazed and confused said: while I agree mostly I can't help but wonder if the ring color would be different had regular season been tougher if that makes sense,,,, I don't think so. There are plenty of arguments for not playing the most difficult SoS, such as if you have relatively small roster, you want your best players to rest/not risk injury as much. I've seen it first-hand and have concluded at 3A and below SoS means little if anything, when you have players well-coached and capable athletically of getting you through the tournament. Philosophies may differ, but Monday-Tuesday practice was almost always more physically demanding than any game I played in -- same for mental toughness (mistakes) from two-a-days until Weeks 14 and 15. ETA: To clarify 3A and below, that is assuming programs have larger rosters in 4A and above. I know there are always exceptions, but generally that holds true and roster size hasn't prevented success in the lower classes. Your best athlete getting injured because they have to play four quarters, two-ways (or more) can prevent success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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