Coach Nowlin Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Should 2100 body schools play schools of 1000 kids in tournament play? That was the #1 reason to split into 6 classes, the discrepancy of Carmel to Munster was 3k kids So, the question is what is the most realistic top end to bottom end enrollment wise that keeps the schools in competitive classes? 16 minutes ago, temptation said: I think I could get on board with this. Too lazy, but can anyone outline what that would look like? I just did 5a into top 32 4a to show what that would look like thats an awful lot of kid difference from Top to Bottom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Nowlin Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 For sake of conversation: here is the breakdowns from 2 years ago (I left off Success Factor bump downs, like Kokomo in 4a) https://www.ihsaa.org/sites/default/files/documents/2022-23 2023-24 Football Alignment.pdf 4a: Greenfield Central 1475 to Angola 795 3a: Norwell 790 to River Forest 511 2a: South Vermillion 510 to Eastern Hancock 379 1a: Park Tudor 378 to Indiana Deaf 94, or Traders Point 124 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTF Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 13 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said: Should 2100 body schools play schools of 1000 kids in tournament play? That was the #1 reason to split into 6 classes, the discrepancy of Carmel to Munster was 3k kids So, the question is what is the most realistic top end to bottom end enrollment wise that keeps the schools in competitive classes? I just did 5a into top 32 4a to show what that would look like thats an awful lot of kid difference from Top to Bottom Without running the numbers, I always felt that it should be 32 in 6A and 32 in 1A. Well, I guess that's why we run numbers. IHSAA got it right. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCGrad92 Posted February 13 Author Share Posted February 13 This is what 1A would look like Last 32 1 Cloverdale 283 2 Fremont 283 3 Covington 281 4 Bowman Academy 277 5 West Washington 277 6 Triton 274 7 North Daviess 273 8 Fort Wayne Blackhawk Christian 270 9 Clinton Central 268 10 Springs Valley 266 11 South Decatur 265 12 North White 264 13 North Miami 263 14 Southwood 263 15 North Central (Farmersburg) 257 16 Tri 256 17 Southern Wells 252 18 Wes-Del 248 19 Culver 246 20 Union City 244 21 Caston 241 22 South Newton 241 23 Cambridge City Lincoln 234 24 Tri Central 232 25 Edinburgh 227 26 Greenwood Christian 222 27 Tri-County 220 28 North Vermillion 218 29 West Central 209 30 Indianapolis Tindley 202 31 Frontier 180 32 Attica 160 and for reference, without Success Factor, Lutheran would still be in 1A at 267 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCGrad92 Posted February 13 Author Share Posted February 13 2A with the next 64 teams 1 Indianapolis Scecina 448 2 Rensselaer Central 447 3 North Posey 442 4 North Putnam 432 5 Mitchell 430 6 Northeastern 423 7 Whiting 422 8 Prairie Heights 421 9 Park Tudor 421 10 Christel House Manual 420 11 Delphi 417 12 Wheeler 417 13 Elwood 410 14 Winchester 408 15 Adams Central 408 16 Tell City 403 17 Shenandoah 400 18 Paoli 396 19 Lake Station Edison 391 20 Union County 391 21 Eastern (Pekin) 389 22 Lewis Cass 389 23 Whitko 389 24 Linton-Stockton 387 25 Seeger 386 26 Central Noble 385 27 Clarksville 385 28 Eastside 384 29 Covenant Christian (Indpls.) 383 30 Crawford County 379 31 Churubusco 378 32 Eastern Hancock 377 33 Lafayette Central Catholic 302 34 Indianapolis Lutheran 267 35 Perry Central 377 36 LaVille 373 37 Providence 371 38 Taylor 366 39 South Putnam 363 40 Winamac 360 41 South Adams 357 42 Parke Heritage 354 43 Forest Park 353 44 Hagerstown 352 45 South Spencer 352 46 Eastern Greene 351 47 North Knox 349 48 Madison-Grant 336 49 Sheridan 336 50 Clinton Prairie 327 51 Carroll (Flora) 321 52 Riverton Parke 320 53 North Newton 319 54 South Central (Union Mills) 318 55 Knightstown 316 56 Milan 315 57 North Decatur 314 58 North Judson 308 59 Monroe Central 301 60 Northfield 296 61 Fountain Central 289 62 Anderson Prep Academy 288 63 Pioneer 286 64 Tecumseh 286 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCGrad92 Posted February 13 Author Share Posted February 13 3A with the next 64 1 Indian Creek 636 2 Heritage Hills 635 3 John Glenn 633 4 North Harrison 629 5 Fort Wayne Concordia 623 6 Evansville Memorial 617 7 Hammond Bishop Noll 617 8 Indianapolis Washington 617 9 Heritage 616 10 Calumet 611 11 Bellmont 610 12 Tri-West 606 13 Maconaquah 604 14 Princeton 600 15 Peru 588 16 Purdue Polytechnic Downtown 578 17 Southridge 576 18 Mount Vernon (Posey) 574 19 Speedway 571 20 Fairfield 570 21 River Forest 567 22 Garrett 556 23 Northwestern 554 24 Cascade 546 25 Tippecanoe Valley 543 26 Lakeland 540 27 Jimtown 538 28 Oak Hill 538 29 Fort Wayne Bishop Luers 532 30 Frankton 531 31 Evansville Mater Dei 520 32 Knox 520 33 West Vigo 518 34 Woodlan 518 35 Benton Central 513 36 North Montgomery 513 37 Western Boone 513 38 Centerville 512 39 Bluffton 507 40 Heritage Christian 507 41 Monrovia 503 42 Sullivan 503 43 Eastbrook 501 44 Eastern (Greentown) 499 45 Indianapolis Cardinal Ritter 498 46 Greencastle 495 47 Salem 494 48 Wabash 492 49 Blackford 490 50 Brown County 488 51 Manchester 475 52 Pike Central 474 53 Rochester 473 54 Bremen 471 55 Brownstown Central 469 56 Alexandria 468 57 South Vermillion 468 58 Triton Central 468 59 Boone Grove 466 60 Lapel 466 61 Switzerland County 464 62 Andrean 455 63 Tipton 454 64 Southmont 453 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCGrad92 Posted February 13 Author Share Posted February 13 4A 1 New Haven 1068 2 Plymouth 1054 3 Marion 1045 4 DeKalb 1044 5 Lebanon 1033 6 East Chicago Central 1009 7 Gary West Side 995 8 East Noble 989 9 Kankakee Valley 989 10 Lowell 985 11 Highland 977 12 New Prairie 970 13 Silver Creek 943 14 Connersville 930 15 Fort Wayne Bishop Dwenger 917 16 Frankfort 901 17 Leo 900 18 Wawasee 895 19 Northview 894 20 Beech Grove 892 21 South Bend Washington 886 22 Boonville 884 23 NorthWood 869 24 Evansville Bosse 863 25 Charlestown 854 26 South Bend Saint Joseph 849 27 Culver Academies 832 28 Brebeuf Jesuit 829 29 New Castle 824 30 Danville 820 31 Hanover Central 817 32 Yorktown 812 33 Washington 810 34 Indianapolis Bishop Chatard 730 35 Guerin Catholic 800 36 Jay County 800 37 Delta 798 38 Western 791 39 Mississinewa 783 40 Gibson Southern 771 41 Edgewood 761 42 Madison 760 43 Corydon Central 754 44 West Lafayette 750 45 Norwell 745 46 Angola 741 47 Mishawaka Marian 735 48 Lawrenceburg 726 49 Scottsburg 726 50 West Noble 718 51 Vincennes Lincoln 711 52 Crawfordsville 710 53 Hamilton Heights 687 54 Batesville 670 55 Twin Lakes 663 56 Greensburg 662 57 Franklin County 650 58 Owen Valley 650 59 Rushville 645 60 South Dearborn 645 61 Griffith 637 5A 1 Valparaiso 2140 2 Warsaw 2108 3 Whiteland 2074 4 South Bend Adams 2062 5 Decatur Central 2050 6 Merrillville 2050 7 Lafayette Jefferson 2034 8 Goshen 2006 9 Chesterton 1980 10 Castle 1965 11 Hammond Central 1923 12 Floyd Central 1823 13 New Albany 1814 14 LaPorte 1812 15 McCutcheon 1786 16 Plainfield 1773 17 Evansville North 1751 18 Concord 1730 19 Anderson 1722 20 Seymour 1719 21 Bloomington South 1681 22 Terre Haute South 1609 23 Franklin Community 1590 24 Bloomington North 1589 25 Hammond Morton 1534 26 Michigan City 1520 27 Columbus East 1518 28 Munster 1514 29 Terre Haute North 1467 30 Kokomo 1465 31 Fort Wayne North Side 1460 32 East Central 1241 33 Fort Wayne South Side 1459 34 Mt Vernon (Fortville) 1455 35 Greenfield-Central 1430 36 Mishawaka 1422 37 Fort Wayne Wayne 1416 38 Mooresville 1398 39 Northridge 1393 40 Huntington North 1382 41 Evansville Reitz 1378 42 Pendleton Heights 1353 43 Muncie Central 1332 44 Richmond 1320 45 Martinsville 1315 46 Hobart 1298 47 South Bend Riley 1298 48 Evansville Harrison 1293 49 Bedford-North Lawrence 1242 50 Logansport 1226 51 Greenwood 1211 52 New Palestine 1209 53 Indianapolis Cathedral 1172 54 Indianapolis Crispus Attucks 1170 55 Jennings County 1169 56 Columbia City 1162 57 Indianapolis Shortridge 1159 58 Evansville Central 1131 59 Shelbyville 1093 60 Jasper 1092 61 Indianapolis Roncalli 1082 62 New Haven 1068 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jets Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Without quoting all the above classes and taking up loads of space in this reply box- those classes (where 32 biggest are in 6A and 32 smallest are in 1A) seem about right to me. I realize it’s all relative I guess… 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE8_Fan Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 15 hours ago, WCGrad92 said: 4A 1 New Haven 1068 2 Plymouth 1054 3 Marion 1045 4 DeKalb 1044 5 Lebanon 1033 6 East Chicago Central 1009 7 Gary West Side 995 8 East Noble 989 9 Kankakee Valley 989 10 Lowell 985 11 Highland 977 12 New Prairie 970 13 Silver Creek 943 14 Connersville 930 15 Fort Wayne Bishop Dwenger 917 16 Frankfort 901 17 Leo 900 18 Wawasee 895 19 Northview 894 20 Beech Grove 892 21 South Bend Washington 886 22 Boonville 884 23 NorthWood 869 24 Evansville Bosse 863 25 Charlestown 854 26 South Bend Saint Joseph 849 27 Culver Academies 832 28 Brebeuf Jesuit 829 29 New Castle 824 30 Danville 820 31 Hanover Central 817 32 Yorktown 812 33 Washington 810 34 Indianapolis Bishop Chatard 730 35 Guerin Catholic 800 36 Jay County 800 37 Delta 798 38 Western 791 39 Mississinewa 783 40 Gibson Southern 771 41 Edgewood 761 42 Madison 760 43 Corydon Central 754 44 West Lafayette 750 45 Norwell 745 46 Angola 741 47 Mishawaka Marian 735 48 Lawrenceburg 726 49 Scottsburg 726 50 West Noble 718 51 Vincennes Lincoln 711 52 Crawfordsville 710 53 Hamilton Heights 687 54 Batesville 670 55 Twin Lakes 663 56 Greensburg 662 57 Franklin County 650 58 Owen Valley 650 59 Rushville 645 60 South Dearborn 645 61 Griffith 637 5A 1 Valparaiso 2140 2 Warsaw 2108 3 Whiteland 2074 4 South Bend Adams 2062 5 Decatur Central 2050 6 Merrillville 2050 7 Lafayette Jefferson 2034 8 Goshen 2006 9 Chesterton 1980 10 Castle 1965 11 Hammond Central 1923 12 Floyd Central 1823 13 New Albany 1814 14 LaPorte 1812 15 McCutcheon 1786 16 Plainfield 1773 17 Evansville North 1751 18 Concord 1730 19 Anderson 1722 20 Seymour 1719 21 Bloomington South 1681 22 Terre Haute South 1609 23 Franklin Community 1590 24 Bloomington North 1589 25 Hammond Morton 1534 26 Michigan City 1520 27 Columbus East 1518 28 Munster 1514 29 Terre Haute North 1467 30 Kokomo 1465 31 Fort Wayne North Side 1460 32 East Central 1241 33 Fort Wayne South Side 1459 34 Mt Vernon (Fortville) 1455 35 Greenfield-Central 1430 36 Mishawaka 1422 37 Fort Wayne Wayne 1416 38 Mooresville 1398 39 Northridge 1393 40 Huntington North 1382 41 Evansville Reitz 1378 42 Pendleton Heights 1353 43 Muncie Central 1332 44 Richmond 1320 45 Martinsville 1315 46 Hobart 1298 47 South Bend Riley 1298 48 Evansville Harrison 1293 49 Bedford-North Lawrence 1242 50 Logansport 1226 51 Greenwood 1211 52 New Palestine 1209 53 Indianapolis Cathedral 1172 54 Indianapolis Crispus Attucks 1170 55 Jennings County 1169 56 Columbia City 1162 57 Indianapolis Shortridge 1159 58 Evansville Central 1131 59 Shelbyville 1093 60 Jasper 1092 61 Indianapolis Roncalli 1082 62 New Haven 1068 You have New Haven in both 4A (biggest school) and 5A (smallest school) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
temptation Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 17 hours ago, Coach Nowlin said: Should 2100 body schools play schools of 1000 kids in tournament play? That was the #1 reason to split into 6 classes, the discrepancy of Carmel to Munster was 3k kids So, the question is what is the most realistic top end to bottom end enrollment wise that keeps the schools in competitive classes? I just did 5a into top 32 4a to show what that would look like thats an awful lot of kid difference from Top to Bottom I mean, "SOMEHOW" Cathedral does it right, lol? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First_Backer_Inside Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 3 minutes ago, temptation said: I mean, "SOMEHOW" Cathedral does it right, lol? They're just able to because they work harder than everyone else and pay for their own school lunch or something like that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
temptation Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 38 minutes ago, First_Backer_Inside said: They're just able to because they work harder than everyone else and pay for their own school lunch or something like that. Don't forget "culture." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US31 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 18 hours ago, WCGrad92 said: This is what 1A would look like Last 32 and for reference, without Success Factor, Lutheran would still be in 1A at 267 Which is why a smallest 32 1A should also prohibit any P/P schols Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tango Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 7 minutes ago, US31 said: Which is why a smallest 32 1A should also prohibit any P/P schols Why? The success factor is in place for a reason. Why punish a p/p school that hasn't had success? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US31 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 23 minutes ago, tango said: Why? The success factor is in place for a reason. Why punish a p/p school that hasn't had success? Punish is your word....not mine.😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JQWL Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 4 minutes ago, US31 said: Punish is your word....not mine.😁 Persecution is a more fitting word. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel_Bragg Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 45 minutes ago, tango said: Why? The success factor is in place for a reason. Why punish a p/p school that hasn't had success? Not this conversation again......... Publics and privates will never agree on this issue. Leave it alone. On 2/12/2024 at 6:49 PM, Huge Football Fan said: Where can I see the basketball? Baseball breakdown? thank you In the 4-class sports, they moved to a 20/25/25/30 split. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxbat Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 1 hour ago, US31 said: Which is why a smallest 32 1A should also prohibit any P/P schols I watched Faith Christian take a 80-2 beating at the hands of Indiana School for the Deaf in 8-on-8 last season. That should be the poster child citing for not having an automatic banishment from 1A if you are a p/p school. If they get better, SF will take care of it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US31 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 (edited) 44 minutes ago, foxbat said: I watched Faith Christian take a 80-2 beating at the hands of Indiana School for the Deaf in 8-on-8 last season. That should be the poster child citing for not having an automatic banishment from 1A if you are a p/p school. If they get better, SF will take care of it. I'm just sharing my opinion....some people will disagree. I would suggest 8 man matchups probably aren't the best analogy to 11 man 1A football. The reason I have my opinion is a desire to prevent the yo-yo effect that has occurred in larger classes from affecting 32 smallest 1A. Especially as IHSAA has chosen to increase the point threshold for "staying up". Looks like some p/p folks don't agree with me....they are free to do so and I'd still drink beer with them.🍻 Edited February 14 by US31 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxbat Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 44 minutes ago, US31 said: I'm just sharing my opinion....some people will disagree. I would suggest 8 man matchups probably aren't the best analogy to 11 man 1A football. The reason I have my opinion is a desire to prevent the yo-yo effect that has occurred in larger classes from affecting 32 smallest 1A. Especially as IHSAA has chosen to increase the point threshold for "staying up". Looks like some p/p folks don't agree with me....they are free to do so and I'd still drink beer with them.🍻 I've heard this before, but I'm trying to wrap my head around where this has happened that didn't have something wonky attached to it, perhaps outside of Cathedral. And even in the case of Cathedral, I don't think they've ever returned to their enrollment class, 4A Chatard's "move down" from 4A was based on a single season when the IHSAA implementing a COVID review and sticking them in a sectional with Roncalli. LCC moved down because the points to stay up was four points at the time. I'm trying to think through who else has yo-yo'd, perhaps outside of Pioneer ... but that's a public school and they've been 2-8 and 5-5 since moving back down and haven't made it past a first-round game. Even folks like Linton and Scecina that went up on SF were large enough after the fact, moving from 1A to 2A, to remain in 2A regardless of SF. Adams Central will end up being the third such school. Matter of fact, in 1A so far, there have been seven total instances of teams being SF'd up to 2A, with LCC being the only one to yo-yo ... again because of the four-point rule: LCC - The first and has been SF'd twice and a member of the inaugural class. Moved down once because the cutoff was four points as mentioned above. Moved back up as one of the first team's to be SF'd by doing worse in their second year of the cycle than the first in 2021. Picked up three points in the current 2A stay. Will be remaining in 2A for the next cycle. Scecina - Moved up as a result of picking up 6 points in the inaugural SF class in 2013. Up until this last season, the only team to be SF'd without a blue ring. Adams Central just joined that distinguished club. Scecina has never moved back down as a result now of enrollment. Linton was SF'd in the 3rd SF class since no one in 1A picked up enough points in the second SF cycle to be bumped in 2017 season. Like Scecina, has never moved back down as a result now of enrollment. Pioneer finally SF'd in 2019 after three straight appearances at LOS netting two blue rings and a red. Remained in 2A for 1 1/2 seasons before COVID half-season sent them back down to 1A. As noted above, haven't escaped a first round 1A game with a win since. Adams Central just joined the Scecina/Pioneer having three straight LOS appearances combined with no blue rings. Will likely not end up coming down as they are likely to join the other distinct club: the Linton/Scecina club where they get SF'd and get too big to come down regardless of SF. Lutheran just joined the Pioneer club along with the WeBo club in that they had three straight LOS appearances and also picked up three straight blue rings. Will see need to wait to see if they don't weather 2A, but last year they likely could have easily gotten to 2A semi-state. As such, since the end of the 2012 season, six programs in 1A have been SF'd with the very unique situations of two-thirds of the programs being bumped in just a pair of SF cycles. Of interest is the mix is three p/p and three public. Only two 1A teams out of six have returned, LCC and Pioneer, and, in the case of LCC, it was because the requirement was four points to stay. Technically, LCC is the only one to really yo-yo and, again, due to the four-point rule. With the data points, I'm not seeing 1A at much risk; especially if the argument is that the p/ps have enormous benefits, as SF will address it and, the potential discrepancies at the lower levels are much more likely to NOT have p/p programs returning back down from a 2A environment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RegionFBFan Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 WCGrad- good work. It looks about as good as it can get. P/P being removed from 1A makes no sense especially since that is why they instituted the SF. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTF Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 On 2/12/2024 at 4:17 PM, temptation said: Poor Jeffersonville, damn. One kid away from potential relevancy. 443 kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachVeatch Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 On 2/13/2024 at 3:59 PM, WCGrad92 said: 2A with the next 64 teams 1 Indianapolis Scecina 448 2 Rensselaer Central 447 3 North Posey 442 4 North Putnam 432 5 Mitchell 430 6 Northeastern 423 7 Whiting 422 8 Prairie Heights 421 9 Park Tudor 421 10 Christel House Manual 420 11 Delphi 417 12 Wheeler 417 13 Elwood 410 14 Winchester 408 15 Adams Central 408 16 Tell City 403 17 Shenandoah 400 18 Paoli 396 19 Lake Station Edison 391 20 Union County 391 21 Eastern (Pekin) 389 22 Lewis Cass 389 23 Whitko 389 24 Linton-Stockton 387 25 Seeger 386 26 Central Noble 385 27 Clarksville 385 28 Eastside 384 29 Covenant Christian (Indpls.) 383 30 Crawford County 379 31 Churubusco 378 32 Eastern Hancock 377 33 Lafayette Central Catholic 302 34 Indianapolis Lutheran 267 35 Perry Central 377 36 LaVille 373 37 Providence 371 38 Taylor 366 39 South Putnam 363 40 Winamac 360 41 South Adams 357 42 Parke Heritage 354 43 Forest Park 353 44 Hagerstown 352 45 South Spencer 352 46 Eastern Greene 351 47 North Knox 349 48 Madison-Grant 336 49 Sheridan 336 50 Clinton Prairie 327 51 Carroll (Flora) 321 52 Riverton Parke 320 53 North Newton 319 54 South Central (Union Mills) 318 55 Knightstown 316 56 Milan 315 57 North Decatur 314 58 North Judson 308 59 Monroe Central 301 60 Northfield 296 61 Fountain Central 289 62 Anderson Prep Academy 288 63 Pioneer 286 64 Tecumseh 286 Anderson Prep hasn't played a varsity football game since 2019. I don't know why they keep getting put in football enrollments and sectionals. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gipper Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 22 hours ago, foxbat said: I've heard this before, but I'm trying to wrap my head around where this has happened that didn't have something wonky attached to it, perhaps outside of Cathedral. And even in the case of Cathedral, I don't think they've ever returned to their enrollment class, 4A Chatard's "move down" from 4A was based on a single season when the IHSAA implementing a COVID review and sticking them in a sectional with Roncalli. LCC moved down because the points to stay up was four points at the time. I'm trying to think through who else has yo-yo'd, perhaps outside of Pioneer ... but that's a public school and they've been 2-8 and 5-5 since moving back down and haven't made it past a first-round game. Even folks like Linton and Scecina that went up on SF were large enough after the fact, moving from 1A to 2A, to remain in 2A regardless of SF. Adams Central will end up being the third such school. Matter of fact, in 1A so far, there have been seven total instances of teams being SF'd up to 2A, with LCC being the only one to yo-yo ... again because of the four-point rule: LCC - The first and has been SF'd twice and a member of the inaugural class. Moved down once because the cutoff was four points as mentioned above. Moved back up as one of the first team's to be SF'd by doing worse in their second year of the cycle than the first in 2021. Picked up three points in the current 2A stay. Will be remaining in 2A for the next cycle. Scecina - Moved up as a result of picking up 6 points in the inaugural SF class in 2013. Up until this last season, the only team to be SF'd without a blue ring. Adams Central just joined that distinguished club. Scecina has never moved back down as a result now of enrollment. Linton was SF'd in the 3rd SF class since no one in 1A picked up enough points in the second SF cycle to be bumped in 2017 season. Like Scecina, has never moved back down as a result now of enrollment. Pioneer finally SF'd in 2019 after three straight appearances at LOS netting two blue rings and a red. Remained in 2A for 1 1/2 seasons before COVID half-season sent them back down to 1A. As noted above, haven't escaped a first round 1A game with a win since. Adams Central just joined the Scecina/Pioneer having three straight LOS appearances combined with no blue rings. Will likely not end up coming down as they are likely to join the other distinct club: the Linton/Scecina club where they get SF'd and get too big to come down regardless of SF. Lutheran just joined the Pioneer club along with the WeBo club in that they had three straight LOS appearances and also picked up three straight blue rings. Will see need to wait to see if they don't weather 2A, but last year they likely could have easily gotten to 2A semi-state. As such, since the end of the 2012 season, six programs in 1A have been SF'd with the very unique situations of two-thirds of the programs being bumped in just a pair of SF cycles. Of interest is the mix is three p/p and three public. Only two 1A teams out of six have returned, LCC and Pioneer, and, in the case of LCC, it was because the requirement was four points to stay. Technically, LCC is the only one to really yo-yo and, again, due to the four-point rule. With the data points, I'm not seeing 1A at much risk; especially if the argument is that the p/ps have enormous benefits, as SF will address it and, the potential discrepancies at the lower levels are much more likely to NOT have p/p programs returning back down from a 2A environment. Instead of success factor, I'd like to see other wrinkles: such as playing only 8-9 players at a time or wearing Crocs as opposed to cleats... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCGrad92 Posted February 15 Author Share Posted February 15 now that i have wasted so much page space on this topic, i see there being 312 schools playing football, if there is an outlier in there that noone knows about. I cant do anything about that if anyone new joins in, but I believe i have all the schools out that no longer play football. I see the breaks being Top/Bottom of 6A - 32 Teams Carmel 5200 Jeffersonville 2141 FW Snider 1915 Up due to SF Cathedral 1172 Up due to SF Top/Bottom of 5A - 32 Teams Valparaiso 2140 Fort Waynbe North Side 1460 East Central 1241 Up due to SF Top/Bottom of 4A - 62 Teams Fort Wayne South Side 1459 Washington 810 Chatard 730 Up due to SF Top/Bottom of 3A - 62 Teams Guerin Catholic 800 Benton Central 513 Top/Bottom of 2A - 62 Teams North Montgomery 513 Churubusco 378 LCC 302 Up due to SF Lutheran 267 Up due to SF Top/Bottom of 1A - 62 Teams Eastern Hancock 377 Attica 160 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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