IU 2024

[temptation]

11 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said:

My point was this:   You have shrugged of Coach Cig accomplishments at Lower level schools and have said so far at IU proven nothing yet, and I am saying that there can only be 1 champion each year and if the standards for you is National Title or failure then a coach you love Jim Harbaugh would not have your respect if he stayed at Stanford.....he had to come to a blue blood (albeit his alma mater) to achieve that distinction.  

GREAT coaches are all around at ALL LEVELS, not being a national title winning coach shouldn't disqualify you as being GREAT.  

Finally,  " SEC was cutting edge on what is now called NIL".    What you meant to say was, SEC was the worse cheating conference when it came to paying players under the table.   The next question is, are you okay with as you put it CUTTING EDGE SEC of the 90s' 00s, and yes Michigan and OSU had those Boosters as did EVERY blue blood program as done for DECADES.   

 

PLEASE show me where I said a coach has to win a national championship in order to be “great.”  You’re putting words in my mouth and trying to shape YOUR narrative now which is exactly what you accused me of above.

Plenty of coaches whom I would consider “great” who’ve never won a title.  Brian Kelly, Kyle Whittingham, Kalen DeBoer just off the top of my head.  Could lost more that are on the verge too.  Cignetti isn’t there yet.  Not even close honestly.

Harbaugh was already a member of the “great” fraternity before last year’s title.  He won in the pros also which only a handful of college coaches have pulled off. 
 

Michigan has a money cannon and it’s fair share of boosters, yes but they are nowhere near the level of the SEC/OSU in their approach, particularly from an admissions standpoint.  Simply put:  They will not participate in pay for play.

That’s the difference.

[Bash Riprock]

5 hours ago, temptation said:

The hilarious part is this all started because I had to audacity to call Cignetti “good” and not “great” based on his resume thus far.

That's absolutely false...you referred to him as a clown repeatedly.

This is all my fault....I simply mentioned "Someone" had been very quiet about IU this season.  I should have known baiting a hook and casting it shallow waters, would pull you in.  Unfortunately, you are a fish that talks way too much.  That's on me for setting this in motion.

[temptation]

8 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said:

it was more than a downgrade...Temp multiple times referred to Cignetti as a "clown".  

We know what it is....let him stay in his own little world

It’s a helluva world…

[Bash Riprock]

2 hours ago, temptation said:

Best defense they have played is ranked 90th (Maryland), UCLA is 98th and Charlotte is 120th.  Plus two FCS wins.

 

 

 

 

Again, false statement.  One FCS win over Western Illinois.  FIU is a member of Conference USA, FBS. 

[temptation]

9 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said:

That's absolutely false...you referred to him as a clown repeatedly.

This is all my fault....I simply mentioned "Someone" had been very quiet about IU this season.  I should have known baiting a hook and casting it shallow waters, would pull you in.  Unfortunately, you are a fish that talks way too much.  That's on me for setting this in motion.

Yep, and plenty of “clowns” are “good” football coaches.

Cignettii is the guy who walks into the weight room with a big jug of protein powder, $500 worth of work out clothes, expensive headphones and then lifts 2 pound dumb bells for about 10 minutes then spends 45 minutes taking pictures of himself in the mirror.

You probably know someone like that I’d imagine.

5 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said:

Again, false statement.  One FCS win over Western Illinois.  FIU is a member of Conference USA, FBS. 

Sorry for unselling the mighty Panthers.  

Edited October 3, 2024 by temptation

[Footballking16]

1 hour ago, temptation said:

Prime won at JACKSON STATE, talked out of his rear end (and continues to do so) and has accomplished next to nothing at the power 5 level. 

when Cignetti goes 4-8 we can talk. Cignetti hasn't had a losing season, EVER, at any of his stops. 

[BTF]

8 hours ago, temptation said:

Before reading this thread, I actually didn't mind most IU fans.  They have suffered long enough.

I'd argue that every fan base has gracious fans and annoying ones.

Sad that I want Michigan to lose because one Michigan guy is obnoxious on an Indiana lake. 

Sad that I can't stand Xavier basketball because of the way one fan was acting at Butler Fieldhouse. 

Sad that I root against Louisville because of one fans actions at Joyce Center........damn, almost called it Purcell. And not sad actually, I think the entire athletic department at Louisville is corrupt. 

[temptation]

4 minutes ago, BTF said:

I'd argue that every fan base has gracious fans and annoying ones.

Sad that I want Michigan to lose because one Michigan guy is obnoxious on an Indiana lake. 

Sad that I can't stand Xavier basketball because of the way one fan was acting at Butler Fieldhouse. 

Sad that I root against Louisville because of one fans actions at Joyce Center........damn, almost called it Purcell. And not sad actually, I think the entire athletic department at Louisville is corrupt. 

Yep.  And the sad part about some of the folks in this thread is that they’ll tune in and root harder for Michigan to lose this Saturday night than they will for IU to win Saturday afternoon.

I see it all the time with MSU fans.

There is a reason why Michigan football usually boasts 4-5 of the top 15 watched games annually…and after Detroit the second biggest market is always Columbus.

Edited October 3, 2024 by temptation

[BTF]

5 minutes ago, temptation said:

Yep.  And the sad part about some of the folks in this thread is that they’ll tune in and root harder for Michigan to lose this Saturday night than they will for IU to win Saturday afternoon.

I see it all the time with MSU fans.

There is a reason why Michigan football usually boasts 4-5 of the top 15 watched games annually…and after Detroit the second biggest market is always Columbus.

I guess I'm too nice. I root for all my neighbors. I sincerely thought Michigan would be lucky to win six games this year. Kudos to them and their head coach for proving the naysayers wrong. 

IU passes the eye test. Sure, their opponents haven't been spectacular. And although most on this forum would go broke on my gameday predictions, I'm predicting a war in Bloomington on November 9. Gimmie the Hoosiers at home. 

[Footballking16]

26 minutes ago, temptation said:

Brian Kelly, Kyle Whittingham, Kalen DeBoer just off the top of my head

DeBoer won 3 national titles in 5 years at NAIA Sioux Falls. There are great coaches at every level of football as Coach alluded. Sometimes the path to getting to the highest level takes longer for some than others. Cignetti and DeBoer are two examples of just absolute winners who haven't taken the path of least resistance to get where they are today. Coaches like Bo Ryan and John Beilein spent years in the D2/D3 ranks before succeeding at the highest level. 

[Footballking16]

14 minutes ago, temptation said:

Yep.  And the sad part about some of the folks in this thread is that they’ll tune in and root harder for Michigan to lose this Saturday night than they will for IU to win Saturday afternoon.

LOL who?

[Bash Riprock]

7 minutes ago, temptation said:

Yep.  And the sad part about some of the folks in this thread is that they’ll tune in and root harder for Michigan to lose this Saturday night than they will for IU to win Saturday afternoon.

I see it all the time with MSU fans.

There is a reason why Michigan football usually boasts 4-5 of the top 15 watched games annually…and after Detroit the second biggest market is always Columbus.

if that comment is directed to me, that is again false.  I took exception with Harbaugh's program violating NCAA rules.  I was actually disappointed as I was a big Harbaugh fan while he was at Stanford and San Fran. Most certainly as a player for the Indianapolis Colts.  I am disappointed that the Michigan admin reacted the way they did instead of owning it.  Harbaugh leaves, good call BTW, and life goes on.

But if you think I care one way or the other if Michigan wins or loses, you are absolutely misguided.  (except when they play IU)

I am excited about the direction of IU football under Cignetti's brief tenure, I acknowledge Cignetti's long resume of excellence and his development under coaches such as Saban.  At the end of the day, my guess is he will not lose an ounce of sleep over how you and I feel about his pedigree.  

[Footballking16]

7 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said:

if that comment is directed to me, that is again false.  I took exception with Harbaugh's program violating NCAA rules.  I was actually disappointed as I was a big Harbaugh fan while he was at Stanford and San Fran. Most certainly as a player for the Indianapolis Colts.  I am disappointed that the Michigan admin reacted the way they did instead of owning it.  Harbaugh leaves, good call BTW, and life goes on.

But if you think I care one way or the other if Michigan wins or loses, you are absolutely misguided.  (except when they play IU)

I am excited about the direction of IU football under Cignetti's brief tenure, I acknowledge Cignetti's long resume of excellence and his development under coaches such as Saban.  At the end of the day, my guess is he will not lose an ounce of sleep over how you and I feel about his pedigree.  

Agreed. The sign stealing thing was a bigger deal than any Michigan fan wants to lead on, but to their point everybody does it to an extent, most just aren't dumb enough to get caught. But it's the blatant arrogance and lack of cooperation that rubbed me the wrong way. The recruiting infractions that occurred during COVID were petty, slap on the wrist type infractions. Yet Harbaugh wants to act like a dumba** and act like nothing happened and it's what got him a 4 year ban. Kirk Ferentz committed the same level of infraction, admitted and reported it, and took his punishment like a man. This is what leadership looks like.

“I frequently tell our players to abide by the rules, and in this instance, I did not,” Ferentz said in a statement. “In 26 years as head coach at Iowa, — and more than four decades as a coach — this is my first potential Level II NCAA infraction. I made a mistake and would like to apologize to our players, University leadership, and our Hawkeye football fans. I know Coach Budmayr echoes those sentiments.”

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5716016/2024/08/22/kirk-ferentz-jon-budmayr-iowa-coaching-suspension/

Edited October 3, 2024 by Footballking16

[Komets2727]

6 hours ago, temptation said:

I mean, when personal insults become the norm and go ignored because you happen to agree with their opinion over mine, I am not sure what other word you'd like me to use.  You've been respectful but I cannot say the same for others.  

You might wanna scroll up and check a few other threads unless your head is in the sand.

Attacking the post and the poster's opinion...sure.  Attacking the poster?  Over the line.

Now back to the question...

As a high school coach, you have a middle school quarterback in your district that tears it up in 8th grade games...leads the team to a respectable 75% winning percentage...(Cignetti at IUP).

That same quarterback then becomes the freshman starter the next year at your high school and leads the freshman team to a 61% winning percentage...(Cignetti at Elon).

His sophomore year, he continues to evolve and becomes the JV starter and the team wins 85% of its games (Cignetti at James Madison).

In the summer leading up to his junior year, said quarterback is in line to be the varsity starter and before taking his first varsity snap begins running his mouth about how great he is and how he's gonna run roughshod through the schedule (Cignetti at Indiana).

The kid is playing 6A football now, but his schedule is loaded with 1A/2A teams.  This is no different.

The jury is still out on Cignetti's ability to win at the Power 5 level.  Anyone in denial of that is simply a homer.

 

Now, only two people have answered my question.  Are you Cignetti homers also fans of Prime?  If not, why?  What are the differences?

Prime won at JACKSON STATE, talked out of his rear end (and continues to do so) and has accomplished next to nothing at the power 5 level. 

Not saying the book is complete but both still have something to prove.

 

Cignetti isn't a self promoter?

"Google me."

Come on Temp!!! To compare Prime to Cignetti is utterly ridiculous. His google me comment was to to say he was and has been winner at every level he has been. Prime says it because his ego is bigger than Grand Canyon. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it. Cignetti does not promote himself over his players like Prime, does not throw his players under the bus to shift blame from himself like Prime, does not strongly encourage or force his players out of the program like Prime, does not brag to the media daily like Prime, I mean, I can go on and on.

[Staxawax]

12 hours ago, temptation said:

 

Cignettii is the guy who walks into the weight room with a big jug of protein powder, $500 worth of work out clothes, expensive headphones and then lifts 2 pound dumb bells for about 10 minutes then spends 45 minutes taking pictures of himself in the mirror. 

And you deducted these opinions solely from the "google me" statement?  Amazing!

[Staxawax]

12 hours ago, BTF said:

 

Sad that I can't stand Xavier basketball because of the way one fan was acting at Butler Fieldhouse. 

 

Pretty sure that player was just wanting a cold drink of water and the water fountain just wasn't cold enough.  Or were you referencing something else?

[gonzoron]

19 hours ago, Impartial_Observer said:

I don’t actually read any of it, but when I see your name as the last poster in the top five unread threads……I don’t need to. 

Haven't you ever heard of someone with a compelsion complex?

 

[BTF]

2 hours ago, Staxawax said:

Pretty sure that player was just wanting a cold drink of water and the water fountain just wasn't cold enough.  Or were you referencing something else?

Lol, something else. Fan, not player. 

[Bash Riprock]

16 hours ago, temptation said:

Sorry for unselling the mighty Panthers.  

Then again, didn't Michigan play a "fierce" team from the Sun Belt Conference this season?

Guessing after the App State sh*tstorm a few years back, Michigan stays fairly clear of those FCS schools.  But they are certainly friends of the MAC. 

[temptation]

36 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said:

Then again, didn't Michigan play a "fierce" team from the Sun Belt Conference this season?

Guessing after the App State sh*tstorm a few years back, Michigan stays fairly clear of those FCS schools.  But they are certainly friends of the MAC. 

Hey, I’m out on this topic since you can’t stay on topic.  Done taking your bait.

Cignetti is a “successful clown.”  That’s all you’ll get from me.  Both can be true.

Good luck to the Hoosiers tomorrow.

Never thought I’d be in a position to root against em but here we are.

[Coach Nowlin]

4 hours ago, Staxawax said:

And you deducted these opinions solely from the "google me" statement?  Amazing!

Exactly my thought as well.    I feel I can at least give an opinion on a coach because I sat in room with him, listened to him speak, then researched some more of him and came away impressed with his program building success, his offensive schemes, and his off season intensity.     

TEMP reads a quote and formed all these stereotypes...... that's okay too, just will laugh at him for it.  Fun laugh, not mean laugh for the record.   

[Coach Nowlin]

10 minutes ago, temptation said:

Hey, I’m out on this topic since you can’t stay on topic.  Done taking your bait.

Cignetti is a “successful clown.”  That’s all you’ll get from me.  Both can be true.

Good luck to the Hoosiers tomorrow.

Never thought I’d be in a position to root against em but here we are.

So you are now MICHIGAN STATE FANS.....  

GOT IT @temptation

Room getting too HOT for you?   Taking ball going home?    Thought you were internet tougher than that  😃

DT would not make that post you just did.   Since you claim to be his protege or something alike.   Just saying 

[Bash Riprock]

12 minutes ago, temptation said:

Hey, I’m out on this topic since you can’t stay on topic.  Done taking your bait.

Cignetti is a “successful clown.”  That’s all you’ll get from me.  Both can be true.

Good luck to the Hoosiers tomorrow.

Never thought I’d be in a position to root against em but here we are.

Only responding to your comments mocking an Indiana opponent, that would be pretty much at the same level of a Michigan opponent.  If you don't want challenged, refrain from stating false or dumb stuff.  For example refraining to a high quality coach as a "clown".  Call him what you want...at least he doesn't have cheating allegations leveled at him to date.

[hondo17]

1 hour ago, Coach Nowlin said:

So you are now MICHIGAN STATE FANS.....  

GOT IT @temptation

Room getting too HOT for you?   Taking ball going home?    Thought you were internet tougher than that  😃

DT would not make that post you just did.   Since you claim to be his protege or something alike.   Just saying 

Haha heck yeah coach get em 🙂

[Coach Nowlin]

1 hour ago, hondo17 said:

Haha heck yeah coach get em 🙂

not here to "get" anyone.   

I have found this conversation fruitful and invigorating.   It was better than days of nothing then 4 posts about how great a win or how bad a loss was and then dormant for another week.  

When I see contradiction in conversation, I will point it out.   

If your goals in online message boards are to keep a win total on debate then you're going about it all wrong, again, just my opinion.