IU 2024

[Irishman]

26 minutes ago, PHJIrish said:

On a beautiful October Saturday morning, ESPN's Game Day is in Bloomington to highlight the Hoosiers rise.  I never thought I'd see those folks at IU's Memorial Stadium, The Rock.

Pretty cool to see that Corso still has this sweater. 

[PHJIrish]

Another one bites the Hoosier dust!😉

[PHJIrish]

tOSU is scuffling with Nebraska!  It's tOSU 21-Huskers 17 with about three minutes left.  And the game is being played in the Horseshoe.

[Staxawax]

I win……….google me.

[Impartial_Observer]

30 minutes ago, Staxawax said:

I win……….google me.

So we’ve heard, and history also tells us it’s not all that hard to win at IU for a year or two. It’s the Wild West out there right now, none of it is sustainable, you’ll forgive me if I take a wait and see attitude. And maybe Gignetti is this Wild West’s Pat Garrett and he’s got it figured out. 

[Komets2727]

Indiana 31 - Washington 17, another double digit win for the Hoosiers. If Rourke isn’t ready for next week at Michigan State, I am a bit worried. Jackson is not a QB for a top 10 in the country team. IU had to resort to only passing 5 times in the entire 2nd half due to poor QB play by Jackson. 

Indiana 56 - Nebraska 7

Ohio State 21 - Nebraska 17

Any questions?
 

 

[BTF]

12 minutes ago, Komets2727 said:

Indiana 56 - Nebraska 7

Ohio State 21 - Nebraska 17

Any questions?

Yes. Why is Ohio State #1 in the Sagarin Ratings and Indiana #17? 

If Ohio State had IU's schedule and posted the exact same scores, they wouldn't be ranked #17. Is the ranking weighted somehow in favor of the historical powers? 

And for those of you wondering, I look at Sagarin for entertainment purposes only. After all, Columbia City was a 9pt favorite over Dwenger. 

[Komets2727]

43 minutes ago, BTF said:

Yes. Why is Ohio State #1 in the Sagarin Ratings and Indiana #17? 

If Ohio State had IU's schedule and posted the exact same scores, they wouldn't be ranked #17. Is the ranking weighted somehow in favor of the historical powers? 

And for those of you wondering, I look at Sagarin for entertainment purposes only. After all, Columbia City was a 9pt favorite over Dwenger. 

We have discussed the pratfalls of Sagarin too much around here. It is worthless, period. Ohio State is ranked ahead of IU based on lifetime achievement only, certainly not based on performance this year. Winning at the Shoe will be a tall task for the Hoosiers for sure, but if Rourke is healthy and ready to go, I like our chances. If it is Jackson, forget about it. This is a special IU team, maybe once in a lifetime type of team. I said early in the year, if Rourke ever got hurt, IU would be in trouble and you saw the QB play today. Not even mediocre. If Jackson starts next week at Michigan State, IU will have a fight on their hands

[BTF]

37 minutes ago, Komets2727 said:

Ohio State is ranked ahead of IU based on lifetime achievement only, certainly not based on performance this year.

Winning at the Shoe will be a tall task for the Hoosiers for sure

That's my point. Just wondering how numbers can weight in the favor of historically good programs. 

IU has the coaching advantage over Ohio State. The teams seem pretty equal right now, which doesn't say much for Ryan Day having a roster loaded with four and five star athletes. IU is loaded with two and three stars, and 16 zero stars who transferred from JM. But yeah, if Rourke is playing, they'll do well. I just hope they're not looking ahead. Michigan and Michigan State could be trap games. Imagine that. Michigan being a trap game for IU. 

[Komets2727]

1 minute ago, BTF said:

That's my point. Just wondering how numbers can weight in the favor of historically good programs. 

IU has the coaching advantage over Ohio State. The teams seem pretty equal right now, which doesn't say much for Ryan Day having a roster loaded with four and five star athletes. IU is loaded with two and three stars, and 16 zero stars who transferred from JM. But yeah, if Rourke is playing, they'll do well. I just hope they're not looking ahead. Michigan and Michigan State could be trap games. Imagine that. Michigan being a trap game for IU. 

Michigan State is a trap game, Michigan is not. IU will be amped and ready for them as they have beaten Michigan maybe 2 times in 40 years. Pretty sure Rourke will be back for MSU, damn sure he will be back for Michigan

[PHJIrish]

Michigan State is playing at Michigan as we type.  This is a big rivalry game for both.  It will be interesting to see if MSU has anything left after tonight.  Indiana being unbeaten and highly ranked may be enough incentive for the Spartans.  We shall see.

[Staxawax]

6 hours ago, Komets2727 said:

We have discussed the pratfalls of Sagarin too much around here. It is worthless, period. Ohio State is ranked ahead of IU based on lifetime achievement only, certainly not based on performance this year. Winning at the Shoe will be a tall task for the Hoosiers for sure, but if Rourke is healthy and ready to go, I like our chances. If it is Jackson, forget about it. This is a special IU team, maybe once in a lifetime type of team. I said early in the year, if Rourke ever got hurt, IU would be in trouble and you saw the QB play today. Not even mediocre. If Jackson starts next week at Michigan State, IU will have a fight on their hands

A special IU team? Maybe, but the rules have changed. Free transferring, NIL and a coach that knows how to win.  
A once in a lifetime team? Doubtful. If you really believe that then you’re not really thinking this out. Transfers and NIL have more or less evened the recruiting field. Cig brought in guys from JMU that know how to win. And high school players and guys looking to the portal for something better will see that. This is sustainable. At least until the NCAA and the Big 4 conferences can agree on some rules. IU May never catch Ohio State in recruiting wars, but play for pay has brought them a lot closer. 
 

[Bash Riprock]

Been to many IU games over my lifetime…especially as a youth. Yesterday it was different…it felt like a major college program. The atmosphere was electric. Thank you Coach Cignetti!! 

 

 

 

Edited October 27, 2024 by Bash Riprock

[Komets2727]

5 hours ago, Staxawax said:

A special IU team? Maybe, but the rules have changed. Free transferring, NIL and a coach that knows how to win.  
A once in a lifetime team? Doubtful. If you really believe that then you’re not really thinking this out. Transfers and NIL have more or less evened the recruiting field. Cig brought in guys from JMU that know how to win. And high school players and guys looking to the portal for something better will see that. This is sustainable. At least until the NCAA and the Big 4 conferences can agree on some rules. IU May never catch Ohio State in recruiting wars, but play for pay has brought them a lot closer. 
 

Let me put it this way, I was born just before IU’s last Rose Bowl appearance and IU, other than the pandemic year, has not been competitive in the Big 10 so it has been a once in a lifetime experience. 

Yes, the new scope of college sports has changed to better even the playing field, but still doesn’t change 
the fact that IU is now a player in the game. I do believe it is sustainable going forward as the money has always been there at IU, just the commitment hasn’t been there

[hondo17]

14 hours ago, Komets2727 said:

Indiana 31 - Washington 17, another double digit win for the Hoosiers. If Rourke isn’t ready for next week at Michigan State, I am a bit worried. Jackson is not a QB for a top 10 in the country team. IU had to resort to only passing 5 times in the entire 2nd half due to poor QB play by Jackson. 

Indiana 56 - Nebraska 7

Ohio State 21 - Nebraska 17

Any questions?
 

 

I'm not gonna compare both outcomes but with a healthy Rourke...outside of the top SEC teams. I think Indiana might be the best. 

[FastpacedO]

On 10/26/2024 at 8:06 PM, Komets2727 said:

We have discussed the pratfalls of Sagarin too much around here. It is worthless, period. Ohio State is ranked ahead of IU based on lifetime achievement only, certainly not based on performance this year. Winning at the Shoe will be a tall task for the Hoosiers for sure, but if Rourke is healthy and ready to go, I like our chances. If it is Jackson, forget about it. This is a special IU team, maybe once in a lifetime type of team. I said early in the year, if Rourke ever got hurt, IU would be in trouble and you saw the QB play today. Not even mediocre. If Jackson starts next week at Michigan State, IU will have a fight on their hands

I won't say Jackson played terrible. He played like a  Redshirt Sophomore QB in a big game. 11 of 19 124 yds 1 TD and 1 Int. The Int was a pass tipped to a D-lineman. Kurtis Rourke is very well seasoned being a redshirt Senior his Redshirt sophomore year he threw 11 TD and 7 Int's. Jackson has some growing to do still but he didn't have a terrible performance.

[Bash Riprock]

On 10/26/2024 at 8:06 PM, Komets2727 said:

We have discussed the pratfalls of Sagarin too much around here. It is worthless, period. Ohio State is ranked ahead of IU based on lifetime achievement only, certainly not based on performance this year. Winning at the Shoe will be a tall task for the Hoosiers for sure, but if Rourke is healthy and ready to go, I like our chances. If it is Jackson, forget about it. This is a special IU team, maybe once in a lifetime type of team. I said early in the year, if Rourke ever got hurt, IU would be in trouble and you saw the QB play today. Not even mediocre. If Jackson starts next week at Michigan State, IU will have a fight on their hands

That's an unfair and inaccurate statement. Tayven played solid ball and ran the game plan exactly how coach wanted. Sure he made some mistakes...given his level of experience, bound to happen.  But he also made some nice throws and made some solid decisions out of the RPO.  Threw for a TD and ran for another score.  11 for 19.  

Additionally, he was up against a well coached team, especially on D.  Steve Belichick is an outstanding coordinator and Cignetti indicated post game, IU had to change their game plan, given what the Husky D threw at them.  They had been a man D all year and to confuse a younger QB, Belichick went to a zone D.  That is why in the second half, IU only threw the ball 5 times and went to a heavy run focus.  Cignetti took what the D gave them. Worked out pretty well.  2 TD win over a very formidable Husky team...same Husky team that beat Michigan by 10.  

Rourke is absolutely at this stage of his career a better QB.  Hopefully he is 100% with his thumb against Michigan State.  But if not, Jackson and the IU team will be ready.  I contend it will be a fight on their hands in East Lansing regardless who is leading IU at the QB position.  These are games that anyone can take out anyone now.  

[PHJIrish]

I believe Tayven Jackson managed the game OK, as the Hoosiers won.

[hondo17]

11 hours ago, Bash Riprock said:

That's an unfair and inaccurate statement. Tayven played solid ball and ran the game plan exactly how coach wanted. Sure he made some mistakes...given his level of experience, bound to happen.  But he also made some nice throws and made some solid decisions out of the RPO.  Threw for a TD and ran for another score.  11 for 19.  

Additionally, he was up against a well coached team, especially on D.  Steve Belichick is an outstanding coordinator and Cignetti indicated post game, IU had to change their game plan, given what the Husky D threw at them.  They had been a man D all year and to confuse a younger QB, Belichick went to a zone D.  That is why in the second half, IU only threw the ball 5 times and went to a heavy run focus.  Cignetti took what the D gave them. Worked out pretty well.  2 TD win over a very formidable Husky team...same Husky team that beat Michigan by 10.  

Rourke is absolutely at this stage of his career a better QB.  Hopefully he is 100% with his thumb against Michigan State.  But if not, Jackson and the IU team will be ready.  I contend it will be a fight on their hands in East Lansing regardless who is leading IU at the QB position.  These are games that anyone can take out anyone now.  

I'm sort of curious what they do after the season. Do they ride with Jackson/Mendoza/Cherry or do they bring in another guy. 

[Irishman]

23 minutes ago, hondo17 said:

I'm sort of curious what they do after the season. Do they ride with Jackson/Mendoza/Cherry or do they bring in another guy. 

I am curious too....I look at ND who seems to have gotten caught up in transfers while having solid players on the roster. Give the guys in house a chance. 

[Bash Riprock]

1 hour ago, hondo17 said:

I'm sort of curious what they do after the season. Do they ride with Jackson/Mendoza/Cherry or do they bring in another guy. 

I hate to say it because my bias for CG, but I think schools will always be open to big time recruits or high profile transfers. IU no exception. Jackson and Cherry were both 4 stars, but Coach Sunseri will look hard unless he feels super strong about them. 

[FastpacedO]

8 hours ago, Bash Riprock said:

I hate to say it because my bias for CG, but I think schools will always be open to big time recruits or high profile transfers. IU no exception. Jackson and Cherry were both 4 stars, but Coach Sunseri will look hard unless he feels super strong about them. 

I agree I think it depends on what falls to their lap. If a seasoned QB looks to them in the portal it will be difficult to pass it up. I think you have seen Coach Freeman do the same at ND. That being said Jackson and Cherry will garner their eye as they spend a couple of seasons in the Offensive system. 

[Komets2727]

On 10/28/2024 at 8:03 AM, Bash Riprock said:

That's an unfair and inaccurate statement. Tayven played solid ball and ran the game plan exactly how coach wanted. Sure he made some mistakes...given his level of experience, bound to happen.  But he also made some nice throws and made some solid decisions out of the RPO.  Threw for a TD and ran for another score.  11 for 19.  

Additionally, he was up against a well coached team, especially on D.  Steve Belichick is an outstanding coordinator and Cignetti indicated post game, IU had to change their game plan, given what the Husky D threw at them.  They had been a man D all year and to confuse a younger QB, Belichick went to a zone D.  That is why in the second half, IU only threw the ball 5 times and went to a heavy run focus.  Cignetti took what the D gave them. Worked out pretty well.  2 TD win over a very formidable Husky team...same Husky team that beat Michigan by 10.  

Rourke is absolutely at this stage of his career a better QB.  Hopefully he is 100% with his thumb against Michigan State.  But if not, Jackson and the IU team will be ready.  I contend it will be a fight on their hands in East Lansing regardless who is leading IU at the QB position.  These are games that anyone can take out anyone now.  

Not an unfair or inaccurate statement at all. You make your claim with a bias towards Jackson as he was a Center Grove player and that is your team. I make my statement based on facts. Jackson was not good last year, period. He did not look good on Saturday either. Cignetti in the postgame interview said it as well. When asked why IU only threw the ball 5 times in the 2nd half, he said poor QB play was the culprit. My statement was that Jackson is not a top ten team QB and I stand on that. Don’t want it to be true at all, but facts are facts. IU goes as far as Rourke takes them.

As far as next year, Cignetti will be beating the bushes for another QB1. 

[Footballking16]

14 hours ago, hondo17 said:

I'm sort of curious what they do after the season. Do they ride with Jackson/Mendoza/Cherry or do they bring in another guy. 

They're still aggressively trying to flip 5* QB JuJu Lewis from USC so that will probably play a factor in what they do in the transfer portal. 

[Coach Nowlin]

At some point, Coaches who believe that they know how to coach the position of QB can stop dipping into portal dudes and develop their own.  Shocking to hear, but that is long term success and you know what you are getting.    

If I am IU, I am NOT hitting QB PORTAL, develop Jackson, flip HS 5 *  all good vs sending the message to your squad at the most important position QB that the guys we have here are not good enough so getting someone to take your job/reps.  

Vicious cycle to play imo.