6A Tournament Discussion

[Footballking16]

12 minutes ago, GOLDRUSH1985 said:

Because your only looking at the title game . Last year BD beat Pike 62-0 , Avon 42-14 , LN 62-14 , Carmel 45-16 and North Central 50-3 .  Crown Point  and a couple other Northern teams were better than the Majority of INDY Metro . 

They also beat Brownsburg, Cathedral, and Center Grove as well as Cincinnati Moeller who was a large class state finalist in Ohio. I don't think Crown Point would have beaten any of those teams. 

[GOLDRUSH1985]

23 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

They also beat Brownsburg, Cathedral, and Center Grove as well as Cincinnati Moeller who was a large class state finalist in Ohio. I don't think Crown Point would have beaten any of those teams. 

Your point ??? I said Indy Metro , Moeller does not fall into that category. You named 3 teams , I said the MAJORITY of Indy Metro . So If CP was better than 30 and not as good as 3-5 , they are still better than the MAJORITY . 

[FastpacedO]

1 hour ago, GOLDRUSH1985 said:

Because your only looking at the title game . Last year BD beat Pike 62-0 , Avon 42-14 , LN 62-14 , Carmel 45-16 and North Central 50-3 .  Crown Point  and a couple other Northern teams were better than the Majority of INDY Metro . 

In all honesty Crown Point was the  6th best team Ben Davis played last year. They played Cincy Moeller and IMG in the regular season.

While Ben Davis beat Crown Point 38-10 in Lucas Oil for State. You have to remember. Brownsburg (was 9-0 at the time) played BD in the first round of sectionals. Ben Davis made a miraculous 4th qtr come back to win 28-25 at home (I still can't believe Brownsburg blew that game). In Regionals beat Cathedral 27-24 at University of Indianapolis BD Intercepted a O'Neil pass in the endzone as time expired and Cathedral was driving. Then in Semi-State Ben Davis pulled out a 37-34 Overtime win at home. All were played on field turf and weather was not an issue. The Indy Metro was pretty solid. Pike, Avon, and North Central were not good Carmel was Mediocre Lawrence North was pretty solid.

[temptation]

2 hours ago, adambetz said:

FWIW, Arizona College Prep is 9-1 and ranked 22nd in Arizona according to both Maxpreps and Calpreps. Projected state champ. Ranked nationally around teams like Concord, Warsaw, Roncalli, Avon according to Calpreps. I won't pretend to be an Arizona hs football expert but it seems like they'd be a solid match-up for any not top 5 IHSAA team.

I get that from both a sentimental standpoint as well as being back into a corner it seems, but from the looks of it, Arizona has less than half the amount of football playing high schools as Indiana so I am not sure how impressive the 22nd ranking is.

I wanna see Crown Point take on an Indy team and hope it is in the works soon.  

[temptation]

1 hour ago, GOLDRUSH1985 said:

Because your only looking at the title game . Last year BD beat Pike 62-0 , Avon 42-14 , LN 62-14 , Carmel 45-16 and North Central 50-3 .  Crown Point  and a couple other Northern teams were better than the Majority of INDY Metro . 

You just cherry picked the worst teams on BD's schedule, lol.

They also narrowly escaped Cathedral and Brownsburg the two weeks prior by a combined 6 points.

 

6 minutes ago, FastpacedO said:

In all honesty Crown Point was the  6th best team Ben Davis played last year. They played Cincy Moeller and IMG in the regular season.

While Ben Davis beat Crown Point 38-10 in Lucas Oil for State. You have to remember. Brownsburg (was 9-0 at the time) played BD in the first round of sectionals. Ben Davis made a miraculous 4th qtr come back to win 28-25 at home (I still can't believe Brownsburg blew that game). In Regionals beat Cathedral 27-24 at University of Indianapolis BD Intercepted a O'Neil pass in the endzone as time expired and Cathedral was driving. Then in Semi-State Ben Davis pulled out a 37-34 Overtime win at home. All were played on field turf and weather was not an issue. The Indy Metro was pretty solid. Pike, Avon, and North Central were not good Carmel was Mediocre Lawrence North was pretty solid.

Sorry I didn't read your response before posting mine.  This is spot on.

 

[GOLDRUSH1985]

5 minutes ago, FastpacedO said:

In all honesty Crown Point was the  6th best team Ben Davis played last year. They played Cincy Moeller and IMG in the regular season.

While Ben Davis beat Crown Point 38-10 in Lucas Oil for State. You have to remember. Brownsburg (was 9-0 at the time) played BD in the first round of sectionals. Ben Davis made a miraculous 4th qtr come back to win 28-25 at home (I still can't believe Brownsburg blew that game). In Regionals beat Cathedral 27-24 at University of Indianapolis BD Intercepted a O'Neil pass in the endzone as time expired and Cathedral was driving. Then in Semi-State Ben Davis pulled out a 37-34 Overtime win at home. All were played on field turf and weather was not an issue. The Indy Metro was pretty solid. Pike, Avon, and North Central were not good Carmel was Mediocre Lawrence North was pretty solid.

I'm confused , are you disputing my post ? What does CP being the 6th best team on BD's schedule have anything to do with what I said ? I don't care if there were 10 teams in INDY metro better than CP last year , they were still better than the MAJORITY of the teams in the entire INDY Metro area . 

[GOLDRUSH1985]

6 minutes ago, temptation said:

You just cherry picked the worst teams on BD's schedule, lol.

They also narrowly escaped Cathedral and Brownsburg the two weeks prior by a combined 6 points.

 

Sorry I didn't read your response before posting mine.  This is spot on.

 

Again , Read my post . Are you disputing that CP was better than the MAJORITY of INDY metro last year?

[GOLDRUSH1985]

9 minutes ago, temptation said:

You just cherry picked the worst teams on BD's schedule, lol.

They also narrowly escaped Cathedral and Brownsburg the two weeks prior by a combined 6 points.

 

Sorry I didn't read your response before posting mine.  This is spot on.

 

No I picked INDY metro teams that were beaten by BD worse than CP . You always refer to INDY Metro when comparing to northern schools , when in fact it's usually the best 3-5 teams . Do you know how many high schools there are in the Indy metro area ? 

[adambetz]

22 minutes ago, temptation said:

I get that from both a sentimental standpoint as well as being back into a corner it seems, but from the looks of it, Arizona has less than half the amount of football playing high schools as Indiana so I am not sure how impressive the 22nd ranking is.

I wanna see Crown Point take on an Indy team and hope it is in the works soon.  

CG has Carroll for the next two years in week 2.

Westfield played Carmel week 2 this year for the first time. Would imagine that continues going forward.

Brownsburg and Cathedral have played week 2 each of the last 3 years. I'd assume that goes at least one more year, probably more.

HSE and North Central have played each other week 2 every year since 2014. I'd assume this keeps going. If that date comes open for HSE I'd be excited for HSE/Crown Point.

Likewise, Fishers and Pike have played week 2 every year since 2014. Could copy and paste the HSE entry.

Warren Central is in year one with Warsaw. Could be a multi year deal or just a one year match-up. WC vs CP would be fun.

LN is in year two with FW Northside, and hopefully this is the last game in their series. Couple of programs going in opposite directions. We could be seeing LN vs CP back to back years.

I'm sure many of you know more behind the scenes stuff than me. Just wanted to put this all down so we could get a picture of what the possibilities are.

Edited November 12, 2024 by adambetz

[temptation]

7 minutes ago, GOLDRUSH1985 said:

No I picked INDY metro teams that were beaten by BD worse than CP . You always refer to INDY Metro when comparing to northern schools , when in fact it's usually the best 3-5 teams . Do you know how many high schools there are in the Indy metro area ? 

LOL.  You've resorted to "Crown Point is better than the worst 6A, most 5A and 4A schools in the Indy metro area and ALL 3A, 2A, 1A Indy metro schools?

Truly remarkable on your part.

Yes, Crown Point would put a running clock on Tech, Crispus Attucks, Perry Meridian and Southport.  Congrats.

 

[GOLDRUSH1985]

4 minutes ago, temptation said:

LOL.  You've resorted to "Crown Point is better than the worst 6A, most 5A and 4A schools in the Indy metro area and ALL 3A, 2A, 1A Indy metro schools?

Truly remarkable on your part.

Yes, Crown Point would put a running clock on Tech, Crispus Attucks, Perry Meridian and Southport.  Congrats.

 

Thanks little boy . 

[FastpacedO]

26 minutes ago, GOLDRUSH1985 said:

I'm confused , are you disputing my post ? What does CP being the 6th best team on BD's schedule have anything to do with what I said ? I don't care if there were 10 teams in INDY metro better than CP last year , they were still better than the MAJORITY of the teams in the entire INDY Metro area . 

Sorry I am struggling to see you point. Indy Metro consists of a lot of smaller schools too.

I mean I can name 4 Schools within a 5-10 mile radius around Lawrence Township That I feel could beat every team on Crown Point Schedule by multiple scores. Cathedral, Lawrence Central, Lawrence North, and Chatard.

I guess I don't understand the pride that Crown Point and a couple other Northern teams could beat Park Tudor, Heritage Christian, Shortridge, Attucks, or another one of the many small schools in Indy Metro.

[temptation]

Just now, FastpacedO said:

Sorry I am struggling to see you point. Indy Metro consists of a lot of smaller schools too.

I mean I can name 4 Schools within a 5-10 mile radius around Lawrence Township That I feel could beat every team on Crown Point Schedule by multiple scores. Cathedral, Lawrence Central, Lawrence North, and Chatard.

I guess I don't understand the pride that Crown Point and a couple other Northern teams could beat Park Tudor, Heritage Christian, Shortridge, Attucks, or another one of the many small schools in Indy Metro.

We all hoped Penn's annual early November swan song would make him go away but I guess not.

He doesn't have a point so he resorts to name calling.

[GOLDRUSH1985]

4 minutes ago, FastpacedO said:

Sorry I am struggling to see you point. Indy Metro consists of a lot of smaller schools too.

I mean I can name 4 Schools within a 5-10 mile radius around Lawrence Township That I feel could beat every team on Crown Point Schedule by multiple scores. Cathedral, Lawrence Central, Lawrence North, and Chatard.

I guess I don't understand the pride that Crown Point and a couple other Northern teams could beat Park Tudor, Heritage Christian, Shortridge, Attucks, or another one of the many small schools in Indy Metro.

Let me rephrase , all 6A Indy metro schools . And what's CP's schedule have anything to do with my statement?  

[Bash Riprock]

7 minutes ago, temptation said:

We all hoped Penn's annual early November swan song would make him go away but I guess not.

He doesn't have a point so he resorts to name calling.

He referred to you as little boy....You are going to be ok...

BTW, I don't disagree with your logic about the actual topic of CP vs Indy metro schools.  Should be fun to watch it all play out.  CP may go on a roll....I truly don't see a clear favorite this year in 6A.

[GOLDRUSH1985]

7 minutes ago, temptation said:

We all hoped Penn's annual early November swan song would make him go away but I guess not.

He doesn't have a point so he resorts to name calling.

Nope , used to be able to only stomach the board in season because of this one know it all child on the board . Well , he made a comment the other day that stuck with me . I've decided to take a teaspoon of Pepto Bismol so I can stay on year round and comment on his fantastic post's . 

[temptation]

30 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said:

He referred to you as little boy....You are going to be ok...

BTW, I don't disagree with your logic about the actual topic of CP vs Indy metro schools.  Should be fun to watch it all play out.  CP may go on a roll....I truly don't see a clear favorite this year in 6A.

Never said I wasn’t but resorting to name calling, as you also know well because you’ve done the same thing, makes it difficult for anyone to take you seriously.

This dude is now taking a victory lap because Crown Point could handle Perry Meridian, Southport, Tech, North Central and Pike.

I’m not sure they confidently beat ANY HCC team.  They’d be favored over most of the league but not by much.

[Bash Riprock]

Just now, temptation said:

Never said I wasn’t but resorting to name calling, as you also know well because you’ve done the same thing, makes it difficult for anyone to take you seriously.

This dude is now taking a victory lap because Crown Point could handle Perry Meridian, Southport, Tech, North Central and Pike.

I’m not sure they confidently beat ANY HCC team.  They’d be favored over most of the league but not by much.

You keep beating the same drum, so you will get the same response.  You can't make repeated sexual references about person's spouse and then whine when you get called for it.  If you don't like the heat, get out of the kitchen.  Regardless, time to move on.  

He's not taking any victory lap.  He is registering his opinion about this year's CP team.  While I do believe like you most years, in the past CP could not hang with Indy's best programs.  (they certainly couldn't last year) I am not so sure this year.  I don't see clear cut dominate teams.  I would not be shocked one bit who wins or loses any of the 6A regional games.  Perhaps this year, CP could absolutely compete.  I guess time will tell over the next few weeks.

[Footballking16]

1 hour ago, temptation said:

I get that from both a sentimental standpoint as well as being back into a corner it seems, but from the looks of it, Arizona has less than half the amount of football playing high schools as Indiana so I am not sure how impressive the 22nd ranking is.

I wanna see Crown Point take on an Indy team and hope it is in the works soon.  

They have 4 or 5 high end teams that can compete nationally and produce on average more top end talent than Indiana. But like Indiana, there's only one big metropolitan area in the state. 

[temptation]

6 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said:

You keep beating the same drum, so you will get the same response.  You can't make repeated sexual references about person's spouse and then whine when you get called for it.  If you don't like the heat, get out of the kitchen.  Regardless, time to move on.  

He's not taking any victory lap.  He is registering his opinion about this year's CP team.  While I do believe like you most years, in the past CP could not hang with Indy's best programs.  (they certainly couldn't last year) I am not so sure this year.  I don't see clear cut dominate teams.  I would not be shocked one bit who wins or loses any of the 6A regional games.  Perhaps this year, CP could absolutely compete.  I guess time will tell over the next few weeks.

Yep, and you are the drum…one of a handful on here.

I wanna see folks’ potential point spreads on Crown Point versus the entirely of the HCC on neutral field.

Then do the same for the DAC and Westfield/Brownsburg.

 

[Rodney]

14 minutes ago, temptation said:

Yep, and you are the drum…one of a handful on here.

I wanna see folks’ potential point spreads on Crown Point versus the entirely of the HCC on neutral field.

Then do the same for the DAC and Westfield/Brownsburg.

 

If CP played in the HCC or the MIC they likely wouldn't even be in the discussion at this point in the season.

[temptation]

3 minutes ago, Rodney said:

If CP played in the HCC or the MIC they likely wouldn't even be in the discussion at this point in the season.

You never disappoint my man.

[Yuccaguy]

3 minutes ago, Rodney said:

If CP played in the HCC or the MIC they likely wouldn't even be in the discussion at this point in the season.

We all agree (Northerners)...  That it will take a complete refocusing of what " success" is, if we keep with the insulated attitude of our conferences.  

The SAC opened up the 1st 2 weeks for outside competition.  I truly believe that it has been a rousing success, even with some of the lopsided losses to the BIG BOYS from Central Indiana.  

If 6A Football is the barometer that means "success".... Then get OUT of your local area and play the BIG BOYS!   Heck, even play the "mid" BIG BOYS.  I think that could even be a measure of how good a program is.  

Fortunately, because of the ALL-IN tournament system....There actually are losses that can be called a 'pyrrhic victory'.  Yes, you LOST....but did you win the war?  Does the loss, make you  stronger?  

The North needs a complete re-thinking of their current scheduling system in order to win at LOS.  

[Coach Nowlin]

4 hours ago, Boilernation said:

Getting a Week 2 game against a Chicago team will be tough. The Chicago Catholic League teams and the different Suburban Conferences all typically schedule each other in OOC. Very rare for someone to go out of State. 

It's probably an unpopular opinion in south Lake County, but the Crown Point vs. Lowell rivalry needs to come to an end. At this point up and comer Hanover Central is a better option in south Lake County. In a perfect world Crown Point mimics the Fort Wayne 6A's and go all Indy or Chicago in OOC. And stay away from the Chicago Public League.

No way the "oldest" continuous rivalry game doesn't get played week 1, ESPECIALLY the Financial implications, you know it's called 9 mile road for a reason my ex region friend !!!  🙂 

2 hours ago, temptation said:

I get that from both a sentimental standpoint as well as being back into a corner it seems, but from the looks of it, Arizona has less than half the amount of football playing high schools as Indiana so I am not sure how impressive the 22nd ranking is.

I wanna see Crown Point take on an Indy team and hope it is in the works soon.  

week 2

Brownsburg vs cathedral 

Westfield Vs Carmel 

Noblesville vs Homestead 

Zionsville vs Lawerence Central 

Avon vs Ben Davis 

Fishers vs Pike 

North Central vs Hamilton SE 

Warren Central vs Warsaw 

Lawrence North vs Ft Wayne North 

Carrol FW vs Center Grove 

Columbus North vs Columbus East 

Elkhart vs Northridge 

FW Snider vs East Noble 

Penn vs Mishawaka 

Athletic Director @temptation

here is the week 2 in 2024.   Play AD, for CP.   What are you doing and why would the other side do it as well, remember it's not so easy to just say, CROWN POINT, GO PLAY CARMEL..... etc. etc.  

10 minutes ago, Yuccaguy said:

We all agree (Northerners)...  That it will take a complete refocusing of what " success" is, if we keep with the insulated attitude of our conferences.  

The SAC opened up the 1st 2 weeks for outside competition.  I truly believe that it has been a rousing success, even with some of the lopsided losses to the BIG BOYS from Central Indiana.  

If 6A Football is the barometer that means "success".... Then get OUT of your local area and play the BIG BOYS!   Heck, even play the "mid" BIG BOYS.  I think that could even be a measure of how good a program is.  

Fortunately, because of the ALL-IN tournament system....There actually are losses that can be called a 'pyrrhic victory'.  Yes, you LOST....but did you win the war?  Does the loss, make you  stronger?  

The North needs a complete re-thinking of their current scheduling system in order to win at LOS.  

See above.   Where does CP go and who is willing to play? 

[temptation]

9 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said:

No way the "oldest" continuous rivalry game doesn't get played week 1, ESPECIALLY the Financial implications, you know it's called 9 mile road for a reason my ex region friend !!!  🙂 

week 2

Brownsburg vs cathedral 

Westfield Vs Carmel 

Noblesville vs Homestead 

Zionsville vs Lawerence Central 

Avon vs Ben Davis 

Fishers vs Pike 

North Central vs Hamilton SE 

Warren Central vs Warsaw 

Lawrence North vs Ft Wayne North 

Carrol FW vs Center Grove 

Columbus North vs Columbus East 

Elkhart vs Northridge 

FW Snider vs East Noble 

Penn vs Mishawaka 

Athletic Director @temptation

here is the week 2 in 2024.   Play AD, for CP.   What are you doing and why would the other side do it as well, remember it's not so easy to just say, CROWN POINT, GO PLAY CARMEL..... etc. etc.  

See above.   Where does CP go and who is willing to play? 

Not my job.  These schools figured it out, Crown Point can too if they wanna be taken seriously.

This is all moot if they win state or it’s competitive, but history suggests it won’t be.

Edited November 12, 2024 by temptation