IHSAA One-Time Transfer Rule Bill To Be Filed At Indiana Legislative Session

[Sparty]

1 hour ago, jets said:

 

If you can do better, then I'd encourage you to join the fight. While not all are in it for the right reasons, I applaud anyone willing to run a classroom full of kiddos/teenagers and tries to have a positive influence in their lives. You want to live in a "bottom line"/data driven/results world - then fine. But there is so much more to it than that. I have students that, where they come from, you should be proud they even make it to school. 

But, keep beating that Public School sucks drum - we appreciate it. 

Lost me with kiddos.  

[Sparty]

3 minutes ago, Irishman said:

Venturing a bit off topic lately.... but no one can point to a single bill passed in Indiana since January of 2009 that has been for the benefit of public school students. Make no mistake, the demise, the concept that they are failing (take a look into special education waivers and how legislators have intentionally made the far more difficult to get), the problems facing public schools and the challenges thrown at them....have all been intentional. This transfer bill is no different. A couple things to watch for this session; what the Governor has touted as property tax relief will be extremely costly to most school districts. He also plans to remove the cap from vouchers. So any family of any income level will be eligible. Meanwhile, pre-k and other programs for early education have long waiting lists and strict income requirements. Current poverty level for a single parent with 3 children (save the judgment) is $25,820. So a parent over that limit is NOT eligible for a program like Head Start, but a household of 4 making $220,000 is eligible for a voucher. Regardless of your typical political beliefs, only one party has been in charge in Indiana going back to Daniels taking office in 2005. 

Bottom line is the more these legislators have gotten involved, the less local control there is and the more problems they create. Again, this transfer bill is just one of many to create more problems. 

Let’s see what happens if and when the Department of Education gets abolished at the federal level.  Wasted money right there.  Give it back to the states/local schools.  
 

Everything starts at home.  Hold house accountable.  This is what I am taking away from the republicans plan/s. Bring back accountability.  

[CoachMack219]

5 minutes ago, Irishman said:

Current poverty level for a single parent with 3 children (save the judgment) is $25,820. So a parent over that limit is NOT eligible for a program like Head Start, but a household of 4 making $220,000 is eligible for a voucher. Regardless of your typical political beliefs, only one party has been in charge in Indiana going back to Daniels taking office in 2005. 

I'm sure this is the soft, lazy, leaders of public schools' fault too. 🙄 absolutely ridiculous. 

[Irishman]

24 minutes ago, Sparty said:

Let’s see what happens if and when the Department of Education gets abolished at the federal level.  Wasted money right there.  Give it back to the states/local schools.  
 

Everything starts at home.  Hold house accountable.  This is what I am taking away from the republicans plan/s. Bring back accountability.  

Here's the issue with your take on accountability. The Statehouse refuses to hold voucher and charter schools accountable in any way. A charter school turns in false enrollment numbers, they get excused. State Board of Accounts calls into question the spending of a charter school, but the President of the company running it refuses to comply. The State recently tried to submit a bill that would set a max on administration salaries at 15% of the money the district gets from the State. What they found is less than a handful of districts would not be in compliance, so it was dropped. They also left out charter and private schools getting vouchers from that bill as they often do. Turned out that the charters in Allen county were all over 20% going to admins. One charter had 54% of the money they got going to admins. Keep in mind this is money that goes to the classroom and teacher salaries. No accountability there though. Voucher and charter schools can and do discriminate when admitting students. They get to choose who gets in and who stays. They get to set standards for students to remain in the school that they do not allow public schools to set. I saw a post with the recent outbreaks that a person posted please keep your kids home if they are sick, but 2 different replies said their own children who all get vouchers can only miss so many days in a year or they are asked to leave the school. Where's the accountability for that? When it comes to State testing, you know everyone loves to talk about how far behind kids are, BUT legislators allow charter and voucher schools to choose either growth or proficiency to be the key factor in school scores. Public schools are forced to use proficiency.....some accountability, huh? 
Just a few years ago, after courts had ordered that multiple charter school operators owed over $100 Million back to the State, the leaders in the Statehouse voted to excuse that debt. Accountability? 

Want public school accountability? Run for school board. What is taught in schools, even with the State Board of Education develops the standards for each subject, is still controlled locally. The budget for every district is completely open to the State and there is a multi step process to get anything approved in the budget. 

Also, ask your sped teachers what will happen when the DOE is eliminated. To think all that money comes back to the States is a pipe dream at best. But what about States like W. VA, Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana who relay far more heavily on federal funding? 

[jets]

40 minutes ago, Irishman said:

Venturing a bit off topic lately.... but no one can point to a single bill passed in Indiana since January of 2009 that has been for the benefit of public school students. Make no mistake, the demise, the concept that they are failing (take a look into special education waivers and how legislators have intentionally made the far more difficult to get), the problems facing public schools and the challenges thrown at them....have all been intentional. This transfer bill is no different. A couple things to watch for this session; what the Governor has touted as property tax relief will be extremely costly to most school districts. He also plans to remove the cap from vouchers. So any family of any income level will be eligible. Meanwhile, pre-k and other programs for early education have long waiting lists and strict income requirements. Current poverty level for a single parent with 3 children (save the judgment) is $25,820. So a parent over that limit is NOT eligible for a program like Head Start, but a household of 4 making $220,000 is eligible for a voucher. Regardless of your typical political beliefs, only one party has been in charge in Indiana going back to Daniels taking office in 2005. 

Bottom line is the more these legislators have gotten involved, the less local control there is and the more problems they create. Again, this transfer bill is just one of many to create more problems. 

BINGO! And again, I just don't quite understand the vitriol and attack on public education schools. I get the fact the Right generally doesn't like Labor Unions, and the Teachers Union is one of the biggest in America - but is that a reason to wage war on the whole Public School system?? Like - doesn't the Right realize teachers in the teachers Union teach in private schools as well?? 

I honestly don't understand why they (the Right) hate public schools so much - and that was actually the intention of my original post was for someone to explain to me the decades long attack on public schools....but all I got was smart-a@# responses like "it sucks" 

Well ok then...

[Irishman]

12 minutes ago, jets said:

BINGO! And again, I just don't quite understand the vitriol and attack on public education schools. I get the fact the Right generally doesn't like Labor Unions, and the Teachers Union is one of the biggest in America - but is that a reason to wage war on the whole Public School system?? Like - doesn't the Right realize teachers in the teachers Union teach in private schools as well?? 

I honestly don't understand why they (the Right) hate public schools so much - and that was actually the intention of my original post was for someone to explain to me the decades long attack on public schools....but all I got was smart-a@# responses like "it sucks" 

Well ok then...

As many like to say, follow the money. 

Some things to keep in mind as well: 

Multiple elected officials are looking to ease current laws regarding teenagers having jobs. Multiple States are looking at that as well. Arkansas passed a similar bill 2 years ago. 
The new graduation requirements dramatically increase the requirements regarding internships (free labor) for high school students. We have 1 intern coordinator in our building and she struggles to find places that will take interns here in Fort Wayne. Now the responsibility will fall to her to find placements for so many more. There are currently about 200 students in the program now. The high school has 1,100 students. So at some point, she will have to find something for most of them. 

 

One thing I forgot to add in my last post. The new State test is the SAT. Funny how a former person on the college board payroll to the tune of $100K per year is the speaker of the house in Indiana. The law requires that 95% of all juniors take the test. So, in our building the sped population is significant enough that our teachers of record and admins have to decide which students to throw under the bus and take the test, knowing they should not be. 
And people think it's the schools failing our students. 

[tango]

1 hour ago, Irishman said:

He also plans to remove the cap from vouchers. So any family of any income level will be eligible. Meanwhile, pre-k and other programs for early education have long waiting lists and strict income requirements. Current poverty level for a single parent with 3 children (save the judgment) is $25,820. So a parent over that limit is NOT eligible for a program like Head Start, but a household of 4 making $220,000 is eligible for a voucher. Regardless of your typical political beliefs, only one party has been in charge in Indiana going back to Daniels taking office in 2005. 

Certainly illustrates the priorities, doesn't it? Sad...

[Sparty]

1 hour ago, Irishman said:

Here's the issue with your take on accountability. The Statehouse refuses to hold voucher and charter schools accountable in any way. A charter school turns in false enrollment numbers, they get excused. State Board of Accounts calls into question the spending of a charter school, but the President of the company running it refuses to comply. The State recently tried to submit a bill that would set a max on administration salaries at 15% of the money the district gets from the State. What they found is less than a handful of districts would not be in compliance, so it was dropped. They also left out charter and private schools getting vouchers from that bill as they often do. Turned out that the charters in Allen county were all over 20% going to admins. One charter had 54% of the money they got going to admins. Keep in mind this is money that goes to the classroom and teacher salaries. No accountability there though. Voucher and charter schools can and do discriminate when admitting students. They get to choose who gets in and who stays. They get to set standards for students to remain in the school that they do not allow public schools to set. I saw a post with the recent outbreaks that a person posted please keep your kids home if they are sick, but 2 different replies said their own children who all get vouchers can only miss so many days in a year or they are asked to leave the school. Where's the accountability for that? When it comes to State testing, you know everyone loves to talk about how far behind kids are, BUT legislators allow charter and voucher schools to choose either growth or proficiency to be the key factor in school scores. Public schools are forced to use proficiency.....some accountability, huh? 
Just a few years ago, after courts had ordered that multiple charter school operators owed over $100 Million back to the State, the leaders in the Statehouse voted to excuse that debt. Accountability? 

Want public school accountability? Run for school board. What is taught in schools, even with the State Board of Education develops the standards for each subject, is still controlled locally. The budget for every district is completely open to the State and there is a multi step process to get anything approved in the budget. 

Also, ask your sped teachers what will happen when the DOE is eliminated. To think all that money comes back to the States is a pipe dream at best. But what about States like W. VA, Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana who relay far more heavily on federal funding? 

I agree with you on somethings.  I made too much to use the voucher. Now I’d be ok.  Missed it by a few years.  I plan on running for board when I retire 

[Muda69]

On 2/7/2025 at 2:54 PM, jets said:

BINGO! And again, I just don't quite understand the vitriol and attack on public education schools. I get the fact the Right generally doesn't like Labor Unions, and the Teachers Union is one of the biggest in America - but is that a reason to wage war on the whole Public School system?? Like - doesn't the Right realize teachers in the teachers Union teach in private schools as well??

The bullcrap most Teacher's Unions tried to pull during Covid is enough for me to have zero faith in that institution ever again.  Not that I ever supported it in the least.  Public sector labor unions should be illegal in the first place.

 

[oldtimeqb]

Welcome to senior night… here’s a student who just started in here in August. 

Let’s give him a hand for attending 3 schools in 4 years….

Sounds riveting. 

[Muda69]

2 hours ago, oldtimeqb said:

Welcome to senior night… here’s a student who just started in here in August. 

Let’s give him a hand for attending 3 schools in 4 years….

Sounds riveting. 

That was a not uncommon occurrence at Maconaquah H.S. during the days when Grissom was an active duty base. I can't remember how many kids only attended the school, and played sports for one, maybe two seasons, before a parent was transferred to another post.  Or they came to the school as a senior and played for one season.  Our starting RB my senior year was like that.

[Football Guru 25]

I'm hearing multiple kids have already made some moves and others are on the verge!!!   Rosters wont look as expected this upcoming season!!

[Titan32]

https://www.on3.com/high-school/news/state-legislature-could-alter-indiana-high-school-sports-transfer-eligibility-rules/

[Football Guru 25]

7 minutes ago, Titan32 said:

https://www.on3.com/high-school/news/state-legislature-could-alter-indiana-high-school-sports-transfer-eligibility-rules/

July 1st it will be in effect of a 1 time transfer acceptance and at that time football will be going and the transfers will be fine!!    IHSAA hands are tied on this one.... for now it will be a free for all......GAME ON!!!   

Edited February 11, 2025 by Football Guru 25

[SBFootballFan6]

12 hours ago, Football Guru 25 said:

I'm hearing multiple kids have already made some moves and others are on the verge!!!   Rosters wont look as expected this upcoming season!!

So what happens to those kids if school doesn’t sign off on transfers and IHSAA declares them limited eligibility for next year? Does July 1st reset everyone who currently has limited eligibility? This could get interesting for the IHSAA.

[btownqbcoach1]

12 hours ago, Football Guru 25 said:

I'm hearing multiple kids have already made some moves and others are on the verge!!!   Rosters wont look as expected this upcoming season!!

gross

[Sparty]

Cave to the minority of folks who abuse this.  So dumb. 

[Titan32]

19 hours ago, Football Guru 25 said:

I'm hearing multiple kids have already made some moves and others are on the verge!!!   Rosters wont look as expected this upcoming season!!

This can't be true...if it is these families are making a big mistake until the IHSAA lays out what the rules are going to be.  For example...can someone going into their senior year make a move based on athletics?  We don't know yet.

[slicer28]

19 hours ago, Football Guru 25 said:

July 1st it will be in effect of a 1 time transfer acceptance and at that time football will be going and the transfers will be fine!!    IHSAA hands are tied on this one.... for now it will be a free for all......GAME ON!!!   

IHSAA's hands are not tied at all... This bill makes no reference to a "1 time transfer", nor does it address any issues regarding eligibility.  It most certainly is a shot across the bow at the IHSAA, but it doesn't force the IHSAA to do anything.  All it does is force schools to accept transfers into their district who are transferring for athletic reasons.  Whether they have full, limited or no eligibility from IHSAA.

Additionally, there is no guarantee that this bill is going to become law.  It still has to

1. be voted on by the full House
2. go through a Senate committee process
3. be voted on by a the full Senate
4. survive a conference committee process (if needed)
5. be signed by the governor

A lot can happen in those steps.

[Titan32]

The bill has a sound premise.  The IHSAA spends too much time and resources playing detective on transfers....those resources would be much better spent doing other things.  Just allowing a one-time freebie will free up hundreds if not thousands of man-hours.  Here is a start....most people think that if there is a bonified change of address into a new district, full eligibility will be granted...that is NOT the case.  At least just say...ok kid....your family moved, and that is a huge sacrifice....despite whether the sending school jack@zz admins think it was for athletic reasons or not.....these transfers should be green stamped.

Edited February 11, 2025 by Titan32

[Coach Nowlin]

3 hours ago, slicer28 said:

IHSAA's hands are not tied at all... This bill makes no reference to a "1 time transfer", nor does it address any issues regarding eligibility.  It most certainly is a shot across the bow at the IHSAA, but it doesn't force the IHSAA to do anything.  All it does is force schools to accept transfers into their district who are transferring for athletic reasons.  Whether they have full, limited or no eligibility from IHSAA.

Additionally, there is no guarantee that this bill is going to become law.  It still has to

1. be voted on by the full House
2. go through a Senate committee process
3. be voted on by a the full Senate
4. survive a conference committee process (if needed)
5. be signed by the governor

A lot can happen in those steps.

I will go back to my initial post on this:   BILL gets noise, IHSAA and SUITS with said BILL get together, IHSAA then says okay, lets make a policy to make sure SUITS across town do not.   

From my seat, tell me the by laws and we shall follow them, no different than the Heat Rules put in place and no different than the summer rules that are still being enforced for Football, still not holding my breath on other major sports to follow suit, I believe Vball and Soccer has some sort of limit........

At least the athletes and coaches get 5 extra days this summer for no contact, we decided to take county fair week off, easy decision

[TigerFan20]

Off to the Senate now

 

[MHSTigerFan]

On 2/11/2025 at 4:03 PM, Titan32 said:

The bill has a sound premise.  The IHSAA spends too much time and resources playing detective on transfers....those resources would be much better spent doing other things.  Just allowing a one-time freebie will free up hundreds if not thousands of man-hours.  Here is a start....most people think that if there is a bonified change of address into a new district, full eligibility will be granted...that is NOT the case.  At least just say...ok kid....your family moved, and that is a huge sacrifice....despite whether the sending school jack@zz admins think it was for athletic reasons or not.....these transfers should be green stamped.

I couldn’t agree more.

I think a one-time freebie transfer rule makes sense.  The IHSAA should just adopt that and move on.  The way it’s been handled in cases I was familiar with has been a disgraceful waste of time and money.

[TigerFan20]

IHSAA voting on it

 

[slicer28]

14 hours ago, TigerFan20 said:

IHSAA voting on it

 

The 30 day provision is interesting. I wonder how that would be counted and when the clock would start?