Indiana Fan Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 Started thinking of the best overall all around football programs in the state AT THIS TIME. This can obviously be opinionated for some and doesn’t always have to reflect state championships. I tried to think of the best run programs regardless of class. I also kept private schools off of this this because I consider those programs to be run very differently (youth leagues, middle schools, etc.) Top 10 in my opinion: Center Grove Carmel Westfield New Pal Gibson Southern West Lafayette HSE Ben Davis Valpo Decatur Central Honorable mentions- Brownsburg, Zionsville, Mt. Vernon, East Central, Lawrenceburg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indiana Fan Posted June 25, 2022 Author Share Posted June 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, Indiana Fan said: Started thinking of the best overall all around football programs in the state AT THIS TIME. This can obviously be opinionated for some and doesn’t always have to reflect state championships. I tried to think of the best run programs regardless of class. I also kept private schools off of this this because I consider those programs to be run very differently (youth leagues, middle schools, etc.) Top 10 in my opinion: Center Grove Carmel Westfield New Pal Gibson Southern West Lafayette HSE Ben Davis Valpo Decatur Central Honorable mentions- Brownsburg, Zionsville, Mt. Vernon, East Central, Lawrenceburg Totally forgot about Merrillville. That would probably make the list or at least be honorable mention. Sorry about that Pirate fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTF Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 What makes Westfield a better program than Pioneer? What makes Hamilton Southeastern a better program than Adams Central? Just curious what your criteria was when coming up with a list of "what makes a great program." 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 10 minutes ago, Indiana Fan said: Started thinking of the best overall all around football programs in the state AT THIS TIME. This can obviously be opinionated for some and doesn’t always have to reflect state championships. I tried to think of the best run programs regardless of class. I also kept private schools off of this this because I consider those programs to be run very differently (youth leagues, middle schools, etc.) Top 10 in my opinion: Center Grove Carmel Westfield New Pal Gibson Southern West Lafayette HSE Ben Davis Valpo Decatur Central Honorable mentions- Brownsburg, Zionsville, Mt. Vernon, East Central, Lawrenceburg How many public school towns/cities don't have youth football or Middle School football? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bears62 Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 6 minutes ago, Indiana Fan said: Started thinking of the best overall all around football programs in the state AT THIS TIME. This can obviously be opinionated for some and doesn’t always have to reflect state championships. I tried to think of the best run programs regardless of class. I also kept private schools off of this this because I consider those programs to be run very differently (youth leagues, middle schools, etc.) Top 10 in my opinion: Center Grove Carmel Westfield New Pal Gibson Southern West Lafayette HSE Ben Davis Valpo Decatur Central Honorable mentions- Brownsburg, Zionsville, Mt. Vernon, East Central, Lawrenceburg I know you stated “at this time” but is there a more specific time frame you are judging these programs off of? Because if you’re going off this past year, Carmel should probably be lower with the huge flop they had against Brownsburg in sectionals. Carmel also majorly disappointed the year before losing to a Ben Davis team in regionals that they had beat 31-9 a few weeks earlier. But if you’re going off, say the past 5 years, HSE doesn’t even belong on this list. Not trying to throw a slight at you or anything like that, just want know your basis for how you decided these. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indiana Fan Posted June 25, 2022 Author Share Posted June 25, 2022 Just now, Bears62 said: I know you stated “at this time” but is there a more specific time frame you are judging these programs off of? Because if you’re going off this past year, Carmel should probably be lower with the huge flop they had against Brownsburg in sectionals. Carmel also majorly disappointed the year before losing to a Ben Davis team in regionals that they had beat 31-9 a few weeks earlier. But if you’re going off, say the past 5 years, HSE doesn’t even belong on this list. Not trying to throw a slight at you or anything like that, just want know your basis for how you decided these. Just simply putting together a top list of programs. Nothing specific. Recent success, moving in right direction, great leadership, places people would want to play at and be involved with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxbat Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 47 minutes ago, Indiana Fan said: Started thinking of the best overall all around football programs in the state AT THIS TIME. This can obviously be opinionated for some and doesn’t always have to reflect state championships. I tried to think of the best run programs regardless of class. I also kept private schools off of this this because I consider those programs to be run very differently (youth leagues, middle schools, etc.) Top 10 in my opinion: Center Grove Carmel Westfield New Pal Gibson Southern West Lafayette HSE Ben Davis Valpo Decatur Central Honorable mentions- Brownsburg, Zionsville, Mt. Vernon, East Central, Lawrenceburg West Lafayette has a youth program and a junior high program. Matter of fact, if I'm not mistaken, they were one of the founding members of the program that LCC, McCutcheon, and one other program, along with West Lafaayette formed back in the 1980s or so. They used to play in the same youth program with LCC, Harrison,, Benton Central, South Newton, and others. When Harrison broke off to form its own self-contained league, HYF, West Lafayette used to play with their league too. They also have a flag league in the area as well that feeds into their youth tackle program. Public, definitely. Run differently, not that much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, foxbat said: West Lafayette has a youth program and a junior high program. Matter of fact, if I'm not mistaken, they were one of the founding members of the program that LCC, McCutcheon, and one other program, along with West Lafaayette formed back in the 1980s or so. They used to play in the same youth program with LCC, Harrison,, Benton Central, South Newton, and others. When Harrison broke off to form its own self-contained league, HYF, West Lafayette used to play with their league too. They also have a flag league in the area as well that feeds into their youth tackle program. Public, definitely. Run differently, not that much. Columbus North is 2nd in all time Team State Titles behind Carmel. The Bulldogs have excelled equally in both boys and girls sports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bears62 Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 41 minutes ago, Indiana Fan said: Just simply putting together a top list of programs. Nothing specific. Recent success, moving in right direction, great leadership, places people would want to play at and be involved with I don’t think Gibson Southern belongs on this list then. Good-Great program but only advanced past sectionals once in Brady Allen’s career. Yeah they’ve had it really tough with Memorial in their sectional, but I don’t think you can be considered a top 10 public program with 1 sectional title in the past 6 years. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esso Ayche Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Indiana Fan said: Top 10 in my opinion: You HAVE to be a masochist for starting this thread. 13 minutes ago, Bears62 said: I don’t think Gibson Southern belongs on this list then. For shame, sir. Or ma'am. No judgement. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bears62 Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 5 hours ago, Esso Ayche said: You HAVE to be a masochist for starting this thread. For shame, sir. Or ma'am. No judgement. Are you saying I am wrong? A program advancing past sectionals once since 2016 is a top 10 public program in recent times? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Central Warrior Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 What about Warren Central? Don't the Warriors deserve to be on this list due to the fact they were the first high school football team to ever 4peat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piratefan101 Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 10 hours ago, Indiana Fan said: Totally forgot about Merrillville. That would probably make the list or at least be honorable mention. Sorry about that Pirate fans. I’m sure you forgot 😉 you just didn’t want me saying we winning state 2 straight years now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esso Ayche Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 4 hours ago, Bears62 said: Are you saying I am wrong? A program advancing past sectionals once since 2016 is a top 10 public program in recent times? I was being facetious with my chagrin. But since you mention it, Indiana Fan's qualifiers for making his list include: "Recent success, moving in right direction, great leadership, places people would want to play at and be involved with." In no particular order, I'd say GS would respond with "Check, check, check, check aaand check." In the last ten years, with the exception of 2014 and 2020, GS has lost to the eventual 3A state champ or runner-up every year. Memorial (3x), Chatard (2x), Brebeuf, and Heritage Hills. That only accounts for nine years, though. Not sure what the outcome of the tenth was, but I will Google it and let you know what I find out. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
temptation Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 2 hours ago, Piratefan101 said: I’m sure you forgot 😉 you just didn’t want me saying we winning state 2 straight years now 2022 is put up or shut up time… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTF Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 It appears that this list went solely off of last years Sagarin Ratings. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTF Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 25 minutes ago, BTF said: It appears that this list went solely off of last years Sagarin Ratings. Minus the two lowest classes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titan32 Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 11 hours ago, Esso Ayche said: I was being facetious with my chagrin. But since you mention it, Indiana Fan's qualifiers for making his list include: "Recent success, moving in right direction, great leadership, places people would want to play at and be involved with." In no particular order, I'd say GS would respond with "Check, check, check, check aaand check." In the last ten years, with the exception of 2014 and 2020, GS has lost to the eventual 3A state champ or runner-up every year. Memorial (3x), Chatard (2x), Brebeuf, and Heritage Hills. That only accounts for nine years, though. Not sure what the outcome of the tenth was, but I will Google it and let you know what I find out. Guess we are being penalized for not being in sectional 30. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDGiant93 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 On 6/24/2022 at 11:05 PM, DT said: Columbus North is 2nd in all time Team State Titles behind Carmel. The Bulldogs have excelled equally in both boys and girls sports. Nope. It's North Central and then Cathedral. https://www.ihsaa.org/Portals/0/ihsaa/documents/schools/State Championship History.pdf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st_and_10 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 Western Boone? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DACNUT Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 Without a doubt there are 3 teams in the DAC that are trying to win in football the past five years and have a great chance this year to win a title: Merrillville Michigan City Valparaiso Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvigo13 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 Linton-Stockton 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bears62 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 On 6/25/2022 at 10:05 PM, Titan32 said: Guess we are being penalized for not being in sectional 30. No you’re being judged for continuing to lose to schools the same size as you in the postseason lol. Gibson Southern does not belong in the top 10 for public school programs despite what you or your homer buddy @Esso Ayche think. Many schools such as West Lafayette, Merrillville, Zionsville, Western Boone, Decatur Central, Pioneer, Ben Davis deserve to be ranked ahead of them and have shown the ability to have deeper postseason runs outside of one single year. Congrats on GS’s championship, they deserved it and proved a lot of people wrong. Time to go back to reality though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
temptation Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 32 minutes ago, Bears62 said: No you’re being judged for continuing to lose to schools the same size as you in the postseason lol. Gibson Southern does not belong in the top 10 for public school programs despite what you or your homer buddy @Esso Ayche think. Many schools such as West Lafayette, Merrillville, Zionsville, Western Boone, Decatur Central, Pioneer, Ben Davis deserve to be ranked ahead of them and have shown the ability to have deeper postseason runs outside of one single year. Congrats on GS’s championship, they deserved it and proved a lot of people wrong. Time to go back to reality though. Damn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titan32 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Bears62 said: No you’re being judged for continuing to lose to schools the same size as you in the postseason lol. Gibson Southern does not belong in the top 10 for public school programs despite what you or your homer buddy @Esso Ayche think. Many schools such as West Lafayette, Merrillville, Zionsville, Western Boone, Decatur Central, Pioneer, Ben Davis deserve to be ranked ahead of them and have shown the ability to have deeper postseason runs outside of one single year. Congrats on GS’s championship, they deserved it and proved a lot of people wrong. Time to go back to reality though. Probably the most consistently "good" public 3A team over the past 11 years (4 sectionals 2012, 2013, 2015, 2021). Seems a little simplistic to just look at sectional championships....there are some pretty soft sectionals in this state. A couple close playoff games GS probably shoulda/coulda have won (2016, 2019, 2020) maybe 3rd or 4th best 3A team in the state those years regardless of sectional results still probably tarnished the legacy a tad, but not in the minds of people who understand the level of play that comes out of that program year after year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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