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don't love the projections of playing conference teams personally ND behind Penn state is not using the eyeball test either

What that does not show is how many of those transfer that gained full eligibility were do to a change of address. I would bet money 98-99% of the full eligibility were granted full eligibility because they physically changed address so no I don’t feel it shows the entire story. dont get me started on how some skirt the change of address using a family members address or other means. Just saying

Not offereing an opinion on the situation regarding these atheletes, but all of us in Indy metro need to be thankful Kyle Neddenriep is the primary voice of HS sports here. He is a true asset to what the HS sports experience is within Indy metro. He's balanced, he has the best interests of high school sports (and all that fits in that umbrella) in mind when he goes to work each day. I don't know that I've always agreed with everything he's written....but I've never seen any evidence he wasn't putting high school kids first in what, I'm sure, is a job with a lot of hours and pay that doesn't match the work he does. Can't say the same for the other guy...

Officially the most aticipated game on the slate. Good job posters.

Id be fine with either or just make a decision it wouldnt be the end of the world

If ya want to get BLHS. Do it THIS year! I had the lower levels as an official, and I'm convinced that they have RELOADED and will be a force in 3A for at least the next 3 seasons

Today may have been THE worst game I have seen. What an absolute dog shit effort. Just 3 points from the starting guards? On how many missed shots? Coach sums it up well.

The team that has the best matchup is going to win. I would throw strength of schedule out the door. Whoever can exploit the best match up is going to win.

I have no "dog" in this fight. But I am going NORTH across the board! Then I'm sitting my butt down at LOS and enjoying 2 days of IHSAA FB....

He better make his feeder system a focus....he might find things are not the same as they were his first time around.

I get it Coach...Regardless the perspective, there was no need to punch it in at the end lined up in a victory formation. There was no need for a starting QB to troll a coach in front of the cameras. I get you explain why it may happened, but it should not have. Ryan Day is who he is, and I get that. You use the term Yapping Yorkie...I call it a one time attempt at a basketball game to fire up a crowd and help them think differently...what could happen. Perhaps he would have been better served holding up a Ted Lasso Believe sign, but most have zero issue with what he did to fire up a fan base and try to get them to have a different vision than their traditional bottom feeder view. Ryan Day has never, ever been in those shoes and I can see why his ego couldn't handle it. An ego developed while not earning a ton with an elite program. Anyway, we see this one differently...I will not justify his actions or that of his QB. Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours as well!!! Hey Temp....I used to hope for a 0-0 tie in which both teams absolutely beat the stuffing out of each other. But now your Blue gets the nod....3-0

The DOE affiliated Case Review Panel has overruled the IHSAA ruling today, and the three young men are now eligible to play varsity sports at Cathedral!

Well, this thread has officially come full circle now… All things considered above, too much for me to ask for a “go blue” from the IU fans at this point?

Hey, perhaps you didnt't get the memo: 😄 Just kidding! All in good fun for sure, but I just can't leave this alone. Your Question: "Luers beat 5A Northrop and 5A North Side. They beat 4A Wayne (with two D1 recruits on that team.) Now -- how does that competition (wins or losses) compare to the matchups that HH won??" Not as lopsided as you think probably. Look up 3A #1-Evansville Memorial and 3A #3 Gibson Southern. Both teams undefeated in Indiana with the exception of their Heritage Hills games. Memorial was undefeated in the SIAC which has plenty of 4A and 5A teams. The whole stiffer competition for Luers argument really doesn't hold much water when you look into it. I'm with you in the hopes that it's a great game. After Saturday we'll have all the answers we need, but talking smack about it before hand is half the fun!! I'm so ready for Saturday Afternoon!! It is definitely going to be interesting!!! Take it away Mills!

The biggest difference between Sagarin and Calpreps is Calpreps includes all opponents regardless of what State they are in. Sagarin only includes Indiana opponents. I am not sure why you get upset at just mentioning that Calpreps has Warsaw Decatur Central as basically a 50/50 game. Say what you want about Calpreps but for a computer ranking they sit at 82.8% prediction accuracy for the State of Indiana predicting 1,387 games correctly to 289 incorrectly. They sit at 81.9% for all states, not half bad predictions for the computer making them. Their highest percentage for Indiana was 92.6% and lowest was 70.8%. I don't use it for anything other then ranking accuracy for the State because it takes all games into account. I make my predictions on games based off what I see on the field or on film from teams. Calpreps also provides a very good dynasty ranking. The flaws of Calpreps are more accurate than if you just picked the team with the winning record in every game (if records are tied picking home team). There are flaws in every method of game prediction even those who pick a winner without using any computer rankings, so what is the difference?

It was the Northern Illinois loss. Had they beat Northern Illinois by 3pts, but lost to Texas A&M on the road by 3, then the committee would have them over Penn State. What would the rankings look like if the committee threw out each teams best and worst game? Would that be a good approach? I just don't know how any reasonably intelligent person can look at the Northern Illinois loss with any relevance at this point. Not after the way Notre Dame obliterated 10 better teams on their schedule.

I just looked at the Calpreps projection for this game. Boy talk about being a 50/50 game! They project Decatur Central 28 (53% chance of winning) Warsaw 27 (47% chance of winning). About as close to a coin flip as you can get! Decatur Central has done really well against teams that run the football well and struggle with passing teams. That being said Decatur Central has not played against a team that runs the Flexbone like Coach Curtis does so they will have to be disciplined. I really really want to pick Warsaw 28-21 or 28-24, but a couple of advantages Decatur Central has a.) experience playing at Lucas Oil Stadium in the State Championship (runner-up last year) b.) a 16 minute drive to Lucas Oil Stadium vs 2 hrs 15 min. I will take Decatur Central 28-24 solely due to experience and basically a home game. I will be ecstatic if Coach Curtis and his Warsaw Tigers win the State Championship though and prove me wrong with my prediction!

Don't see how Penn st is ahead of them. yuck , my eye test says ND waxes Penn st

And the sad part is, Cathedral basketball is rated in the top four in the state, and all five starters from last season returned. This is more about the young men, and their future, than it is helping the Irish basketball succeed.

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Holy hell you’re higher than I am. I swear to God you are

Yep

It's a good debate really. And what fun would the forum be without fan banter?

Great stuff.

From the most recent (November 8, 2024) quarterly IHSAA Executive Committee Minutes: Transfers Assistant Commissioner Brian Lewis reported on transfers that have been ruled on for the period of June 1, 2024-October 30, 2024. And this is from the June 2024 quarterly IHSAA Executive Committee Minutes: Commissioner Paul Neidig presented the number of transfers from June 1, 2023 through May 31, 2024. He said the total number of transfers continues to be very similar year in and year out. And more than 99 percent of cases receive some form of eligibility. As you can see, approximately 93% of transfers have been awarded Full Eligibility over the past 18 months. So many get approved but the spotlight always shines bright on the controversial denials. I don't have a strong opinion either way on these Mt.Vernon-to-Cathedral transfers but I will offer up two thoughts on the transfer process. 1) I would be curious to know if the IHSAA consistently tracks the number of transfers in/out of each school/sport. If so, I wonder if that is taken into consideration when the IHSAA has to make a tough ruling on a disputed transfer. In other words, let's say Coach A has been the basketball coach at School A for 10 years. During that period, 15 student-athletes with significant varsity experience at their previous schools have transferred to School A which has contributed to great success for School A's basketball program. When the 16th & 17th student-athletes file the transfer paperwork to School A, does that set off alarm bells at the IHSAA? 2) Don't forget that every student-athlete can enroll at any school* before his/her Freshmen year without any interference by the IHSAA. There are plenty of families out there who do the research up-front so that they can enroll their kid(s) as a Freshman at a school which can best meet all their academic & athletic needs. *Some school districts with full classrooms mandate that all students must live within that school district's boundaries.

It's a hard atmosphere to beat for the price. I don't care much for the indoor venue for NFL games, but it's pretty legit for high school. Especially when you can pick your seat.

Kyle is a first-class individual. He is deeply immersed in the local high school sports community, and he understands how to report on it. If he has an opinion, it's usually based on facts and knowledge. Plus, he's just an excellent writer. One of the best they have at the Star on any beat.

You may be underestimating the effect the rise of the HCC programs will have on Carmel’s chances of getting back to the top.

So his running back, who apparently has some class to him, slid to the ground on his own yet Day decides to run another play after that to score the TD. What does that say about his RB? What does that say about Day? Two very different scenarios

Agreed 100%, as the WH I’m trailing, move on, move on, pancakes, two lineman pushing and shoving, you can usually talk them out of stupid stuff.

Zero Boilermaker in my statement, nice attempt however my friend Then I guess GET BETTER OR GET USED TO IT right?? These are PAID athletes and HIGHLY PAID coaches. Isn't it IU job to stop them? That is what playing with the big boys of college football is. Perhaps, Coach Day was sending a message to what he is perceiving as the yapping Yorky dog, and telling IU that they are not on their level, try again. Call it classless, your perspective Maybe,, just maybe, the coaches of the B10 may also have thought that Coach Cig comments were not earned yet, so Coach Day said to himself, I am going to remind this guy and his program he has a ways to go to catch this Lambo...... It's competitive, VERY HIGHLY competitive college football (semi pro) game played by MEN.

Quite a difference in the tone, and frankly the quality, of the two articles. One seems to be based in fact and what was directly said in testimony and interviews, the other plays fast and loose with editing of interviews and journalistic integrity as a whole. Doyle is not the "hero" he thinks he is.

It really is hard to go against Brownsburg. They beat Lawrence North who was "as good as Ben Davis last season." And they beat Center Grove who was "peaking at the right time and as good as anyone." On the flip side, Westfield obliterated one of the best five teams in the entire state last week. I'll roll with your score, Brownsburg 28-24.

Checking out Harrell's site to get a feel for how these games may go this week. The first thing I noticed is 4 of the 6 games are predicated to be 1-3 point games. The two that aren't are 3A and 1A and they are still only 11 point spreads. Good chance none of these games are big blowouts. Both the underdogs in the 11-point games are the private schools. The other interesting observation is 5 of the 6 games include teams that have never played each other (at least not in the history of Harrell's database). This could be one of the most interesting state finals in many years. Good luck to all the teams and congrats to the crews selected to work the games.

I don't know that it's definitive proof that it's completely working, but if the idea is that it's allowing a greater number of others to have a chance at more success in the future, then I'd say it's leaning in the right direction. The biggest flaws in SF that I have tended to identify seem to be tied to the idea that SF was developed to provide a workaround a P/P issue as opposed to thinking about longer term success. This is similar to the wisdom of having Chatard SF'd to 4A only to play cute with assigning them to the same sectional as Roncalli or the 3A Catholic Sectional of Death. First, SF should have been based on a 4-year evaluation as opposed to 2-year for moving up. I'd suspect, although I don't have direct proof, is that the idea was to "hurry up" and get P/Ps SF'd up as soon as possible. The P/Ps that moved up in the first round, most likely would have also garnered enough points over four years early on ... think LCC, Scecina and Cathedral. Later on Lutheran. Frankly, I'd be OK with using four-year cycles to move up and a two-year cycle to move down. i think that would better address the issue of programs versus a couple good teams and also minimize the negative impact on a team that maybe had a good team for three years based on a unique pairing of kids as opposed to a program. Second big mistake was requiring 4 points to stay originally. If it had been 2 points, looking at just LCC, they would not have returned to 1A to pick up a state title in 2015. The question is also, in those couple years when LCC returned, Pioneer was having a phenomenal run. That's pretty much what kept LCC in 1A for an additional half decade or so. Had LCC stayed in 2A, they picked up two points in their first visit, would they have been able to pick up sectional titles in those next three classification cycles? Haven't looked at the details closely, but the last four years since LCC returned to 2A, LCC has picked up three sectionals and a regional, so it's possible. In which case, LCC would have been absent from 1A since 2012 and not have picked up an additional two blue rings. The last issue is the recent monkeying with the points to stay up and moving it from 2 to 3 points. Again, I suspect this is directed at making sure that public schools don't spend any more time up a class than they have to; especially if the issue that we've almost all complained about is SF "punishing" programs for the success of a couple of team years. I think if you got SF'd and you can pick up a pair of sectionals the first two years that you move up, especially if we went to a 4-year move-up cycle, I think it's fair enough to say that a program is competitive and leave them there. I think that the 3-point rule is going to lead to additional yo-yoing that is going to make getting to some desired equilibrium much harder. Just my 2-3 cents take on it.

I apologize for the length of this post... I am not offended by your comments and I meant no offense to you. It may not matter to you, but as an initial point private schools are fundamentally different than parochial schools. They get lumped together on the GID in discussions, but their funding sources are vastly different. As an example, Cathedral is very different than Chatard, just as Memorial and Mater Dei are very different than Evansville Day School (which few on here probably even know exists as it is not a football school). The easiest way to explain the difference is that a parochial school receives significant funding from the diocese, through the various parishes. We don't have any private Catholic schools in Evansville, but in Indy, Cathedral and Brebeuf receive no financial support from the Indianapolis Archdiocese, but Chatard, Roncalli, Scecina and Ritter do. That lack of diocesan financial support must be made up in other ways at Cathedral and Brebeuf, including by charging higher tuition. You can see this if you look at their various websites. The 4 Indy parochial schools have similar tuition, but the privates do not. Because of the financial support given, the diocese has its thumb of the parochial schools. Not saying its good or bad, it just is what it is. You are correct, I do have a fair amount of knowledge on this topic. I have been involved at Memorial in one way or another since 1996. I served on the governing board for the Evansville diocese that set policy for Memorial and Mater Dei (as a consolidated board) for about 8 years, and then later on the board that set policy just for Memorial (after the consolidated board was split into separate boards for each of the two Catholic schools in 2010). At no time did either school "cut enrollment", although both schools experienced enrollment declines. Mater Dei was at one time 600+. At Memorial, our enrollment peaked at 815 in 2010 (I know that because it was one of my son's freshman class), but it fell steadily every year to around 550 in 2019. MD had a less drastic fall. There were many factors, the biggest being the increasing cost of tuition, smaller incoming class sizes from the K-8 "feeder" schools, and a general decline in "churching'. In Evansville we also have competition with a quality public school system (EVSC) and a nationally ranked charter school (Signature) that draws a lot of kids who do not participate in athletics. Memorial competes with Castle in Warrick County for students. Athletic classification by the IHSAA or athletic success in general had or has no bearing whatsoever on "enrollment decisions". We have actually adopted less restrictive policies (more relaxed dress code, acceptance of a wider variety of hair styles) in an attempt to attract more students. We have also invested more resources into hiring teachers and staff to be able to accommodate a wider range of students. Ultimately, the state adopting school choice vouchers was a big boost in helping the schools turn the tide on enrollment decline. You may be surprised to hear this, but I personally believe the state has gone too far with vouchers, but that is a topic for another day. Memorial is now at around 615, with the biggest growth being in the last 2 years. Every parochial school in Indiana is looking to grow enrollment in any way they can, regardless of athletics. I realize that doesn't fit the narrative, but it is the reality. I am not aware of any parochial school that has a waiting list in Indiana. Memorial has the capacity for about 850 students. I can tell you that if we could add another 200 kids to get closer to that number we would do it in a heartbeat, even if not even 1 of the added students played a sport. Your opinion that enrollments are somehow capped (or even cut as you say), has no basis in fact.

Your comments indicate you have little to no understanding of how private and parochial schools operate. There is no such school in the state that "cuts enrollment" in order to achieve athletic success.

He was gifted with arguably the best program in America. He's not doing anything with his four and five star players that 200 other coaches couldn't do.................400 if you include high schools. There are 30+ coaches at least you would have won a national title by now with the talent he has on his roster. "Coach Day, why did you choose to run the ball into the endzone after Cignetti chose not to use his timeouts?" "We're Ohio State." Douche comment of the year.

So, they actually turn away paying students if it would cause them to bump up a class in athletics? If so, they’re the only p/p in the history of the world to do so.