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It’s all good. I’m not angry but, admittedly, sincerely baffled as to just how folks can seemingly seriously still, however lamely, defend 5A. It’s seems sophistry at best and delusion, at worst….or maybe vice versa. To a degree, it feels like I’m arguing with Bill Clinton over “just what “is” is”. “Is”, in its most elemental form, is not being able to defend your class against the interlopers from the class below you roughly 70-80% of the time….yet somehow insisting on your own superiority. I recognize that we live in a post-truth world these days but I thought football was still based in reality which, generally, is all about wins and losses. That said, someone (or, perhaps, multiple folks) here has (have) said that no one declared 5A “weak” while Cathedral was in it. Well, I certainly did 11 years ago. Admittedly, I’m far from the biggest Cathedral fanboy (let’s just let it go at that) but I made it pretty clear back in the day that once Cathedral had cleared the usual bloodbath in 4A that they had easy pickings in 5A.…which turned out to be the case. I think most any honest Cathedral fan would even admit it. I mean, seriously, beating 8-6 Laporte in 2014 (who was 3-5 during the regular season….and they ain’t exactly playing the MIC during the regular season)…..that’s actually considered a 5A State Championship game?!? I didn’t even know Laporte still played 11 man football….even at the time. Regardless, 5A, such as it is, remains the entirely threadbare barrier into 6A. Btw, it still also amazes me that there seems to be amnesia here as to just how good Columbus East and New Pal were during that same period (or Reitz pre-“new” 5A). Say what you want but if it wasn’t Cathedral then it would have just been Columbus East or New Pal cleaning up at the time…..BOTH Publics. Anybody paying attention in the South knew these were incredible teams that just couldn’t quite clear Cathedral. Btw, they did end up getting their share in 5A. But to be clear, I’m generally just here to make snide observations and defend the American Way….and to recognize immutable facts.

I have to say after reading through this, I would have to agree that some type of sectional seeding would be a good idea, for fans. I don't really think that players or coaches care. You just line up and play whoever is next in line. As a former player on a 9-1 team that didn't 'qualify' for the tournament, I like the all-in format. The point system put a lot of 10-0 and 9-1 teams on the sideline without a chance to play in the tourney. A lot of you will also remember the 'cluster' system from the 80s that was an attempt to have teams play each other in a district format to determine who made the tourney. It didn't really work out well and helped lead to the all-in format. I do like the idea of a 32-team 6A and 1A. I would add that the 32 in 1A include the 32 smallest public schools. This is probably not popular, but comparing a rural 1A school to a private school in a metro area is certainly not apples to apples. Of course I would also like to see 8-man football as an option for not just new schools, but for schools that struggle to put 20+ players on the field. That's my $.02. I am willing to step in as the czar as of January of 2024, if the position becomes available.

I think EC scores as much as they want and steals all their girlfriends

BNL Floyd Jeff…surely they can win one game Bloomington South

Tippy Valley is most impressive team I've seen on film this year

Bedford North Lawrence Floyd Central Jennings County Bloomington South

BNL FC JC Sey

Agreed, it wasn't one sided either way. The refs jus really struggled and it killed the pace of the game. It's also one of the first high school football games where I don't remember a holding flag was called on either side.

BNL FC JC BHSS

Toloza played this past Friday. Rans probably out for season.

BNL (5-3, 4-1 HHC) at Columbus East (3-5, 3-2 HHC) #8/#9 Floyd Central (7-1, 5-0 HHC) at New Albany (2-6, 2-3 HHC) Jennings County (3-5, 0-5 HHC) at Jeffersonville (0-8, 0-5 HHC) Seymour (5-3) at #3 Bloomington South (7-1)

Lost a ref early to an injury. When that happens generally things go South. I don’t think they were bad calls in general, just decision making took a while. Clock situation was not on the refs, sure they were as frustrated. It wasn’t one sided so not home field intentional- it ran regardless who had the ball. Just one of those bizarre games that left both sides a little bamboozled. Clock would start before ball set, ref would move ball, clock still ticking….it was one for the memory books🤪

Like F.W. Snider not much East Central can do they have to play their conference (which is very week). Sagarin does not take Out of State Opponents into their equation, so basically the computation in sagarin only has them for 7 opponents (because out of 9 games they will have only played 7 Indiana opponents). Their non-conference schedule though consists of 6-2 Harrison (OH) (a Ohio D-II team that is their rival as the two towns are pretty much next to each other, Cincinnati Moeller (OH), and Roncalli (who is not as strong as they have been the last 2 years). Make no mistake however even though East Central's conference is weak they are not. East Central is very good and will likely be the favorite for 4A but also could be playing for State Championship in 5A. Sagarin is about as good as it is going to get (still doesn't account for OOS opponents) Calpreps however does account for OOS Opponents. Notice where East Central sits out of all teams in Indiana. http://calpreps.com/2023/ratings/Indiana_all.htm

I would agree. I have never understood the argument that there is such a significant difference between a school with 2,500 enrollment and a school with 5,000 enrollment. If you can't find 50-100 good football players in either school, that's your problem. In 1A 20 additional/less students can make a big difference. I still believe that 6A and 1A should be the classes with 32 teams.

We have to beat Harrison first. Then we'll work on the thumbtack acquisition.

To clarify, by TE he means the player on the end of the line (regardless of number), not the player identified as the TE in the program. TE appears nowhere in the rule book. All legal offensive players are either a lineman or a back. Backs or linemen on the end of the line could be a traditional wideout or a traditional TE. They are allowed to shift from a 3 point stance to a 2-point stance or another position and reset before the snap. If you are a back you can also be in motion at the snap as long everyone else was set for 1 second before going in motion and your motion is not forward at the snap. A simpler answer to the question though is once the snapper places their hand on the ball, any interior lineman who places his hand on the ground is considered locked. Lifting his hand for any reason results in a false start.

Bedford North Lawrence Floyd Central Jennings County Bloomington South

And Zionsville was actually ranked 30th in 6A by enrollment in 2019-2020. Played 6A in 2019, but 5A in 2020 and 2021.

So we’re comparing “averages” to determine the strength of a class? Not actual championships? Really? So actual championships, as in 4A teams winning 7 out of 10 of the 5A Championships don’t really matter (and 1 of those 3 that wasn’t won by a 4A school was likely won by a Westfield team that was a 6A school by that time)? In 10 years it’s likely only 2 championships in 5A were actually won by a 5A team. I, honestly, can’t see anything more definitive as to how 5A measures up. They were given a “sawed-off” class after complaining about the mega-schools and STILL couldn’t win it 80% of the time. Seems definitive to me. If it’s all about the pulling out your “average” when determining who’s best then why bother? It’s like using Indianapolis Tech if you want to have a conversation about 6A football. Sorry, I’m going to talk about CG, BD, Brownsburg, etc. Maybe, just maybe, THAT mindset is the problem in 5A…to barely be above the “average”. —————————————————————————————————————— As regards East Central, I read somewhere that they were considered the top team in the Cincinnati area at this point. As to whether that was some poll or actually looking at CalPreps, etc. I don’t know. With that, they didn’t just beat Moeller this year, they handled them pretty convincingly. Center Grove barely won on OT. Btw, this East Central team is pretty much the same as last years. Most all their “players” are back. As big a chip on the shoulder as some parts of the state seem to demonstrate by whining about not getting respected, frankly, lightly populated, hillbilly Southeast Indiana gets crapped on by EVERYBODY….especially teams like East Central and Lawrenceburg.

I was in downtown Chicago the weekend of “Crusherfest” in Milwaukee this summer. I damn near made the extra trip just to pay homage to him (and, maybe, hear some tall tales of his years with the “Bruiser) and drink some of Milwaukee’s Finest. https://www.crusherfest.org I also lived in the same apartment complex as Slamming Sammy Menacker (who used to often commentate on Big Time Wrestling”) one summer. The black Speedos were probably a bad call by him at the pool, though. Heck, I did cardiac therapy with Chuck Marlowe.

The GHSA approved new bylaws that allow high school athletes to profit off of their name, image, and likeness. The idea of name, image, and likeness or NIL became widely known within collegiate sports in 2021. When the NCAA approved new rules that allowed college athletes to profit off their name, image, and likeness. https://www.wfxg.com/story/49802336/ghsa-approves-nil-for-high-school-students-what-exactly-does-that-mean#

Maybe Long Takes Media will cover it. The New North. Right? I am sure everything is fine.

When did thr conversation even move to this year I'd agree that anyone outside of ec would probably lose to snider this year Hell outside of ec I think 4a is down this year We talking about last year and how the top 4 teams from 4a could snatched a 5a trophy And how in the easiest 5a pool in 50 years snider still managed to choke To add onto this, I could've gone recruiting at the local pilot and found a capable team of taking 5a state last year

Who highly touted Warren Central pre-season? Sagarin? His data doesn't become very reliant until after weeks 4-5. There were multiple posts dogging Warren Central, many questioning whether or not they'd finish above .500. They've been on the downswing the last several seasons. I would say the top 10 in 4A and 5A are about as similarly comparable as possible.

There's also double the amount of teams in 3A and 4A that significantly skew the averages. Average Sagarin rank for the top 10 teams in each of the following classes. 5A-28 4A-29 3A-45

I saw Dick the Bruiser riding a white V65 Magna on 465 when we were going to see Van Halen in 1984. I swear to God I did

I’m curious as to how many people on here actually know who Wilbur Snyder is. The young folks have probably never heard of him. Heck, most don’t even know Dick the Bruiser which feels like a crime if you’re a Hoosier.

So weather is the great equalizer only sometimes. You're right, blowing snow has no affect on a team that throws the football. I put as much stock into a warm bucket of hamster vomit as I do CalPreps. That being said, I wouldn't bet against EC. I'm just saying it wouldn't be the blowout everyone claims it would be. I would have EC as a 58% favorite. Some posters just talk out their ass, someone needs to level the playing field. Self imposed warning point: 1

EC has already convincingly beaten a team in Moeller that is substantially better than any team in 5A (who CalPreps puts at a 92% chance of beating Snider, fwiw). Only thing I'm going to say about the snowstorm comment is that Valpo played in the same weather. If Snider was that much better the weather should not have been a factor. Just sounds like sour grapes.

I think they should both forfeit this week.

Unpopular opinion: It doesn’t matter what round teams play each other in sectionals. The cream will always rise. This is a semantic issue more than anything.

Well for starters there is a 3-5 FW North team currently playing for a sectional championship without snapping the ball. What about the gauntlet that is Sectional 14; best record 5-3 and combined records of 13-19 Hopefully Snider doesn't have an issue against 2-6 Anderson and 3-5 North to win a championship. Mishawaka has a mediocre Concord team between them and hoisting a trophy Thank the lord Merrillville has 18 D1 players to get by Morton or Hammond Central 5A is a joke

It was started 2 weeks ago because it was announced at that time the game was being moved from Arlington to Butler and @PHJIrish was informing of the change right after it was announced.

On my first coach’s visit to Butler in late May back in the day I pulled my ‘74 Firebird Esprit (same as Jim “Rockfish” Rockford’s but with a lot more unpainted “Bondo” patches) into the shared Hinkle/Starlight Musicals parking lot. Fresh from the unnamed hills and hollers of southeast Indiana and not knowing my way around Indianapolis (or Butler), I walked into the open entrance to Starlight Musicals just before Noon…..Coach Lyons was waiting for me in his office on the main floor at Hinkle. As I walked in, I heard this smooth baritone voice coming from the stage. There was a man singing and a woman playing a piano accompaniment. It was only the 3 of us in the entire facility but I couldn’t quite make out just who the two were on stage. Being curious, and fairly self-unaware at the time, I walked down to the foot of the stage like I owned the place to see some middle-aged lady playing the piano for Gomer Pyle…who was, somehow, out of uniform. I assumed he was on leave since there was no evidence of Sgt. Carter to be seen. Completely true story.

Oh wow. Another topic completely off topic, I'm shocked Did I read someone blame the turf for ARs injury? 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Grass sucks, tbh.

I have a busy day today, so I don't have time to look up past posts. But there were several posts (to my recollection) stating that this could be Warren's year. Even the pre-game show on IHSAA had every Snider fan worried with what those guys were saying about Warren.

Lol this argument is so tiresome. No one is arguing that injuries don't happen on grass. They just happen at lower rates than artificial turf, which has been proven over and over again in studies.

I am Team Grass https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/36243906/nflpa-new-injury-data-shows-grass-significantly-safer-turf https://www.nbcnews.com/news/sports/aaron-rodgers-injury-ban-artificial-turf-rcna104902#

I'll say this, with coaches like you, it's not hard to see why Paoli has never won anything.