Guest DT Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 The loss to Mt Vernon was shocking for many, but in my view, the narrow 17-14 win over Greenfield Central is the even more surprising outcome. Mt Vernon is a rising power and built to be the next dominant program in the HHC. Greenfield Central is 1-3 this year, and has lost 11 straight to New Pal by some horrifically lopsided scores , including these past 5 contests between the two schools 2019 68-0 2018 76-6 2017 59-3 2016 84-21 2015 77-20 GC is 5-26 over the past 3 seasons. Can you imagine the reaction had GC pulled off the upset? Is NP only a 3 point better program than GC? Whats the scoop? And might the current reality give Coach R reason to look into some other opportunities? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDGiant93 Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 I'm sure it's time for contraction. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DT Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, BDGiant93 said: I'm sure it's time for contraction. Seriously, isnt that score a bit shocking? Kind of like 70-27. Thats another shocking score. One that will be remembered. Edited September 29, 2020 by DT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muda69 Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 Jimmy's and Joe's beat X's and O's. Looks the like talent pipeline in New Palestine has started to dry up a little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DT Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 7 minutes ago, Muda69 said: Jimmy's and Joe's beat X's and O's. Looks the like talent pipeline in New Palestine has started to dry up a little. Didnt expect such a dramatic decline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titan32 Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 There could also be some Covid impacts. This isn't a good year to judge the trajectory of any program. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muda69 Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Titan32 said: There could also be some Covid impacts. This isn't a good year to judge the trajectory of any program. *cough* Cathedral *cough* *cough* Center Grove *cough* So the primary reason these two schools have been dominating their opponents is because those opponents have been depleted by Covid? Edited September 29, 2020 by Muda69 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titan32 Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 Just now, Muda69 said: *cough* Cathedral *cough* *cough* Center Grove *cough* I didn't say it was impossible to be successful....the level of impact can vary program to program. It might effect you (bad luck) it might effect your opponents (good luck). It is just a bad year to accurately address trajectory given the differing impacts of this crazy season. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DT Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Titan32 said: I didn't say it was impossible to be successful....the level of impact can vary program to program. It might effect you (bad luck) it might effect your opponents (good luck). It is just a bad year to accurately address trajectory given the differing impacts of this crazy season. Are you not slightly shocked by the NP-GC score given their recent "trajectories?" Edited September 29, 2020 by DT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titan32 Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 16 minutes ago, DT said: Are you not slightly shocked by the NP-GC score given their recent "trajectories?" Based on just looking at W-L and last season's scores....yes I am. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staxawax Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 JV, Frosh and middle school trends would tell more than a one season snapshot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTF Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 1 minute ago, Staxawax said: JV, Frosh and middle school trends would tell more than a one season snapshot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hhpatriot04 Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 :flush: is trying to argue NP can't reload like top Indy P/Ps... waiting for @crimsonace1 if he wants to stoop to this level of discourse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Nowlin Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 1st question I have in this type of year is: Who is available to play ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DT Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, hhpatriot04 said: :flush: is trying to argue NP can't reload like top Indy P/Ps... waiting for @crimsonace1 if he wants to stoop to this level of discourse. What do you mean by that? Its a reasonable question to ask. The most dominating program over the past two years in the state barely got by a team that it has outscored by 60 ppg for 5 years running. Thats newsworthy in my opinion. Many factors could be at play : * COVID is impacting NP more than other programs * NP still adjusting to massive graduation losses last two years * Travis Nolting, a state championship level coach, is making strides with his program * GC was sky high for the game and NP came in flat. * The NP staff is distracted Edited September 29, 2020 by DT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTF Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 Shocking? Yes. I felt Coach R built a program that reloads every year, not rebuild. Apparently it happens to the best of programs though. It's happening at Snider. There is no guarantee that every senior class is going to have the leadership and talent of the championship classes before them. What is most shocking of all is the number of top programs who are all down in the very same year. Penn, Snider, New Pal, Ben Davis, and Warren Central. According to Sagarin, Ben Davis is the highest ranked of those five at #18. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysander Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 As many of us recall, there were criticisms here regarding some of the scoring differentials in years past between New Pal and many of their opponents. The reason for those scores from those with some direct knowledge of New Pal was that it essentially had to do with their small roster size and needing to preserve JV players for JV games. I think varsity roster numbers mentioned weren’t ever more than 45....maybe even in the 30s. Assuming that: (1) those low numbers still hold true; (2) there is a just a slight decrease momentarily in talent and ADD; (3) COVID roster depletions and you have a recipe that would potentially drive a team off the cliff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiting89 Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 Didn’t they lose 2 full scholarship D1 players? And a 19 year old man child that’s was a PWO? That’s a lot to replace at any school Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DT Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 1 minute ago, Whiting89 said: Didn’t they lose 2 full scholarship D1 players? And a 19 year old man child that’s was a PWO? That’s a lot to replace at any school Maybe a little karma at play. NP was the bully of the conference when they poached CS away from a solid Delta program. It completely destroyed the competitive nature of the conference and whatever equilibrium and competitive balance existed at the time. Just now, DT said: Maybe a little karma at play. NP was the bully of the conference when they poached CS away from a solid Delta program. It completely destroyed the competitive nature of the conference and whatever equilibrium and competitive balance existed at the time. Perhaps the natural order of things is falling back into place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndianaWrestlingGuy Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 Is DT the antifa of the GID?? 4 years of dominance for NewPal and massive graduation and they are dead in the water? Feeling like DT is at the front of the protests with an umbrella and a bag full of molotov cocktails. If inciting proud and hardworking programs is your thing, maybe you join the real movement and use your pen for a non-football cause. Maybe you and Muda can run off together. The socialist and the agitator. Could be the Castro and Che Guevara all over again! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldschoolFB Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 3 hours ago, DT said: The loss to Mt Vernon was shocking for many, but in my view, the narrow 17-14 win over Greenfield Central is the even more surprising outcome. Mt Vernon is a rising power and built to be the next dominant program in the HHC. Greenfield Central is 1-3 this year, and has lost 11 straight to New Pal by some horrifically lopsided scores , including these past 5 contests between the two schools 2019 68-0 2018 76-6 2017 59-3 2016 84-21 2015 77-20 GC is 5-26 over the past 3 seasons. Can you imagine the reaction had GC pulled off the upset? Is NP only a 3 point better program than GC? Whats the scoop? And might the current reality give Coach R reason to look into some other opportunities? They graduated everyone. AND, correct me if I’m wrong, Coach Ralph changed his offense to fit The Big Fella. I believe Coach Ralph likes to spread it out. If that’s the case, these kids have yet to run that O, add the fact that they don’t have experience and it’s possible to have a down Sr class too. Add it all up and you get a mediocre 4-1. Having said that, I would not want to draw New Pal in the Sectionals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballking16 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 2 hours ago, OldschoolFB said: They graduated everyone. AND, correct me if I’m wrong, Coach Ralph changed his offense to fit The Big Fella. I believe Coach Ralph likes to spread it out. If that’s the case, these kids have yet to run that O, add the fact that they don’t have experience and it’s possible to have a down Sr class too. Add it all up and you get a mediocre 4-1. Having said that, I would not want to draw New Pal in the Sectionals. There’s a certain school on the East Side of Indianapolis licking their chops hoping New Pal makes it out of sectionals.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gipper Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 Say it with me: CYCLICAL... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStatGuy Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 They are 4-1. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gipper Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 1 minute ago, TheStatGuy said: They are 4-1. Oops... So the sky isn’t falling... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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