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what a terrific football game. Those teams played their hearts out.

Fat guy interception! My favorite play in football.

He's not listed on any Warren Central roster for the last 4 years. It really doesn't matter to me, I just get tired of seeing people whining when they get beat by a better team and then try to blame it on something besides football. It makes you both look pretty small. That was a great football game today, neither team needs an excuse, but obviously some of the fans do.

Looked like the receiver may have been down when he was stripped.

Oh, it’s over. Covenant’s QB was obviously shaving points.

At least he didn’t make that Marion “commute” like a lot of Howe players did a couple of years ago......that I-69 drive is just a nightmare during rush hour.

When I think of small school ball, I think of South Adams. Not a pseudo-JV All Star team from the West Side of Indy masquerading as a 1A football team. 😉

I totally agree with that! Trust me it will be brought up in their postgame evaluation

After they let the CC receiver jump into the crowd to celebrate their first TD with fans, nothing surprises me. I know I am an old school guy, but you can’t let a HS kid Lambeau Leap with no flag, IMO.

The difference in speed here is immense...

Not only that, I understand that the back judge on that crew and the head coach at WEBO both have brown eyes, and the umpire shops at the same Krogers as the mother of the kid who was interfered with! The implication you are trying so ham-handedly to foster is silly. You're embarrassing yourself.

It’s always been interesting to me that private and parochial schools are grouped together as “PP” on this site when their enrollment process is tremendously different. Not sure what the difference is? Let’s start by looking at Indianapolis... There are four parochial (archdiocesan) schools in Indianapolis divided by north, south, east, and west deaneries with feeder grade schools. Those schools are Chatard (north), Roncalli (south), Scecina (east), and Ritter (west). The majority of students at these schools (and football players) attend their “feeder” deanery schools. As a southsider, I can only speak for Roncalli but 21 of their 22 starters are from south side Catholic grade schools. The one exception is a linebacker from Perry Meridian who followed Scott Marsh when he came to Roncalli from Perry. This is completely different than a private school, such as Lutheran, Cathedral, Park Tudor, or any other non-parochial private school in Indianapolis. These schools “attract” students from across Indianapolis and operate under different financial aid rules than parochial schools. For instance, Roncalli accepts vouchers OR financial aid qualifications, but not both. This means if a student qualifies for the voucher program and Roncalli’s financial aid program, they have to choose one or the other. This is not the case at private, non-parochial schools in Indianapolis, which is why kids are able to attend those schools for free. Not sure if this helps anyone understand the difference, but thought I would share as someone who has worked in private education who is confused by the “private/parochial” grouping, as those two distinctions operate completely differently. Parochial schools like Roncalli do not hold a “recruiting” advantage. Roncalli just won 4A state by 42 points but will have zero seniors playing division 1 football next year, while Hobart has two or three. This is not to say that parochial schools do not have an advantage socio-economically. But there are plenty of public schools that share that advantage as well (CG, Carmel, Zionsville, Fishers, etc.).

For the officials reading this, please feel free to share this with other officials (if you consider it useful). Of course, you should also feel free to raise issues or questions, as well. For the non-officials, would you like to be able to look at some little, often unnoticed, things that will tip you off about the proficiency of the officiating crew you’re watching without having to wait for a “big call” to let you know? If your crew gets observed, you can be sure your observer will make notes respecting the “big deal” items on the checklist: rules knowledge, penalty enforcement, general scrimmage and kick mechanics, etc. But you can’t control what happens in the game, so you can’t control whether the observer will get a good read on how proficient your crew is. There may not be a “big” play, like a tricky rules issue, an important catch/fumble call, overtime, or the like. But there are things you can do to showcase the crew, even if your game is plain vanilla, or a Mercy Rule blowout filled with JV players. Here are 10 “little things” you can do to impress an observer, even if the game doesn’t provide opportunities to “test” the crew: 1. Uniform/equipment Are the crew’s uniforms really “uniform?” Everyone wearing the same style shirt, pants, hat? Everyone have the same color beanbags (except for your contrasting color bag, see below)? If you choose to wear position plackets, are they accurate? If one crew member has a flag patch, does everyone have the same patch in the same location? In cold weather, if you wear jackets for the pregame, are they the same jacket for the whole crew? The more uniform your uniform, the better. 2. Pregame Do you clean up uniform/equipment issues during the pregame inspection: wristbands, face paint, exposed pads, etc.? Make note of whether the QB is right or left-handed? Ditto for kickers. Did you watch to see how the kickers and punters are? Speak with the clock operators? Inspect the line to gain equipment? Did you spend noticeably more time with one coach vs. the other (coaches notice this!)? 3. Clock Does a crew member always remind R of the clock status after any administrative stoppage, e.g, penalty enforcement, injury timeout, measurement, etc.? Did the crew let a couple seconds run off on a false start or encroachment, and not order the clock reset? Does the crew communicate on 4th down, that the clock will stop after the play regardless of the result of the play? 4. Measurements The proliferation of turf fields, with their clear markings, has reduced the frequency of measurements. When one arises, do it right. Was the ball handled correctly prior to the measurement? The clock? During the measurement, did B hold the ball from the nose, so as not to block the view of the front stake from either sideline. Following the measurement, if the ball needs to be moved in to the hash and re-spotted, was that done correctly? 5. Quarter change Did all crew members mark the down, distance, clip and ball position on their game cards before doing anything else? Did L move immediately to the succeeding spot on his sideline? Did B do the same in the field of play? Did R and U bring the ball to the succeeding spot together? Did all crew members jog to their positions, as opposed to a leisurely saunter? Did the crew communicate to make sure everyone has the same # of timeouts remaining for each team? 6. Timeouts Do all crew members note timeout information on their game cards? Does B time the length of the timeouts and signal R at the appropriate time? During the timeout, do crew members attend to their duties, or do they get together in a group and shoot the breeze? 7. Sidelines Do the wings communicate effectively with their sidelines? Is the coach allowed to step on the field to call plays? Is the restricted area kept clear while the ball is alive? Do the wing officials use the sideline warning procedure when appropriate? 8. Signaling/communication Does the crew have a method of communicating important information, by signaling or otherwise? Double stakes, clock status, “5 is a 1st down,” inbounds or out of bounds, players on or off the line of scrimmage, pass forward or backward, etc.? 9. Reverse goal line Doesn’t happen all that often, but is a telltale indicator that a crew has really talked about and honed their mechanics. Does the crew communicate every down to confirm who has goal line responsibilities? Do the wing officials “cheat” toward the goal line at the snap when they have goal line responsibility? Does R modify his normal initial position to protect the goal line when that is his responsibility? 10. Beanbag mechanics Do B, L, and R have a beanbag in hand on all free kicks? When using the bag to mark the spot of a fumble or backward pass, is the bag dropped (good) or thrown (not so good)? Is the bag used to mark a fumble behind the neutral zone? It shouldn’t be. Is the bag B carries to mark the end of the kick a contrasting color? Do the wing officials use the bag to mark an out of bounds spot (bad)? Do crew members use the bag any time they see a loose ball, or do they only use it when they actually see the ball come out of the runner’s possession? Officiating excellence is not always about making the big call in the big game. More often, it is an accumulation of many, many little things done correctly every single time over a long period. I could probably list 20 more if I gave it a moment’s thought.

Zionsville beat Dwenger but Dwenger is still better than Zionsville, they just didn’t play well enough that night. Zionsville didn’t catch Dwenger in Sagrain until after winning Semistate

It's the extra piece of fffisch that you get at Lent. Let's be honest, I attended Catholic school when I was a kid and that "fish" was only fish in the pronunciation. I'm pretty sure it was like the "beff" and "loobster" at the Hungry Heifer ... Cher;s reference for the older crowd ... that had to be spelled differently on the menu to avoid a false advertising claim. 😀

Having taught/coached at a parochial school, I can’t recall the school ever turning away a student without serious reason (expulsion from another school). Enrollment control at a school like Roncalli does not happen. If it does, the head basketball coach is confused why the school decided to let enrollment bump the basketball team up to 4A after he was hired 🙂 There is a tuition rate for parishioners of churches in that school’s deanery, and a tuition rate for non-parishioners (i.e. non-Catholic private school kids) which is higher. To put it simply, it’s similar to publics... if you did not attend a deanery grade school (the gradeschools near the high school), you have to pay (pay more in this case). There is not an entrance exam at parochial schools. There is a “placement exam” that determines which classes a student enrolls in and provides a small academic scholarship to the top 10 students that take it.

I completely expect DT, Muda and the like to read this and change their viewpoints on parochial schools 🙂 Maybe parochial schools should only have a 1.2765389 multiplier applied?

Sons and daughters of millionaires get gifted huge sums of stock all the time and good for them ... But they also get taxed at 37%.

It was a clear late hit by #14 white. Not viscous but enough to knock him off his feet and into someone and you could see him grab at his neck immediately

Kinda like an A league and B league?

Have a feeling this is the beginning of the gravy train for CC. Lots of talent in central Indy to “go around.”

3A school with 32 seniors. That is AWESOME. Speaks volumes of the kids and the program. Congrats to Chatard on their state championship. Way to keep fighting Danville. Congrats to both teams on fantastic seasons.

Looked like a late hit behind the play on replay. Kid immediately grabbed his neck after it. Hope he is okay.

CC winning “because” SA went for two is pretty shortsighted. Who is to say they would not have gone down and scored anyway had it been 41-41? They had a kicker capable of hitting from 40+ and moved the ball at will for the majority of the game. Aside from that, DT created an entire thread regarding Covenant. Winning a state title in your sixth year as a program is a joke. Your stud RB who took over the game is from the other side of Indy. He must’ve moved to the west side for the superior academics? Luers has been one of the P/P’s that has not thrives since the multiplier but they are a fixture in the state finals and we all know why. You said yourself that LCC was wrecked by Covid. You can’t talk out of both sides of your mouth. When Chatard, Roncalli and Cathedral combine for 150 will you still dig your heels in?

I give it just a few hours. 😀

Call me “Holtzian” but this game isn’t over. After that crazy 1A game I don’t think any lead is safe.

They both played Chatard v tough but Lutheran had to go on the road so I gave them the nod

No but sometimes the “State game” isn’t really the state game.

That is fact. Concordia had the worst path of any school outside of 6A to make it to state.

Actual class 3a top 3 1. Chatard 2. Concordia Lutheran 3. Marian 4. Those who got beat by Concordia and Marian and everyone else from the south.

Oh haven't you heard? After the brilliant leadership of Pete Buttigieg, we are thriving now. We even have two-way roads downtown!

Dugger is tourney eligible in 2022, the second year of the cycle.

Well what to say. Starfires that was a great comeback and hard fought game. Will be a tough one to swallow, but it was a great season. CC had the athletes. Tough weekend for NE/EC Indiana football. We couldn't finish what our NW/WC Ohio brethren started last weekend. 2 1pt losses for this area sure does sting.

“Fair” enough

Not that it matters too much, but over the years in my business life I’ve had to generate market studies of the Indy Metropolitan area as regards population figures for lenders and investors. For the purpose of those studies, the Indy Metropolitan area “officially” included all adjacent counties AND Madison County (Anderson).

I'm assuming he's taking the interstate.

I really don't either, but sticking to the blocking and tackling of life usually works out pretty well.

The Left DE has been held ALL GAME by SA's OL and they finally called it.

Few more strong handshakes will change that 😉

Kicking game for CC is a huge advantage. SA is starting about every drive at their own 20.

missedsteaks are the worst kind.

Homestead actually needs to beat a team from Indy. Until they do, they'll always go into those games with "hope." It's a mindset.

Take your shots at Westfield now because they are only going to get better. Well coached, great youth program, and a rapidly growing community.

WeBo’s win makes DT’s miserable life of whining about competitive inequality irrelevant for another year. Must be a rough night for old DT (and Muda). The only way to get heard is have the P/Ps win all the classes. 12 more months of forum futility, lads. Couldn’t have happened to a more socialist couple.

Trump supporters are paying the Trump campaign to find votes for Biden. Wild.

“Simple” and “easy” are great ... if you’re talking about puzzles. But that doesn’t mean they are “best.” The “best” solution is one that can be implemented easily, sure, but it also should address the problem, and fix it with the fewest negative consequences, i. e., collateral damage. The SF doesn’t “punish” anyone (I think that’s the word you meant to use.). But I understand how using loaded words like that serves your agenda. The SF is an attempt to go right to the “problem” and fix it at the root, not use a broad, non-specific remedy that accomplishes the purpose, in part, but throws out a lot of babies with the bathwater.. The complaint people have about the PPs is that the playing field is not level. But even the most rabid anti-PPers have to admit that some PPs do not use their inherent advantages to achieve football success. If the objective of the class system is for like opponents to be matched (within reason), then only those who use advantages, and are therefore not “like” their other class members should be targeted. That’s what the SF does, and that’s what a multiplier doesn’t do. And logically, there is no justification for not using the SF on publics as well. No one would seriously argue that publics like Munster & Carmel don’t have a significant socioeconomic advantage over fellow publics that translates to higher extracurricular participation rates, better facilities, and if you want to dig deeper, probably better nutrition and health care. Those that utilize these advantages to excell over the long term in football are no more “like” their fellow publics than are the PPs. If they show that they have had disproportionate success relative to their class competition, then obviously they have tilted the playing field. If the goal is “like” vs. “like,” they also should be affected by whatever tool you are using to level the playing field. If your goal is to “level the playing field” as much as possible, then the SF is a far superior solution. On the other hand, if your goal is simply to slap down the damn Catholics, the multiplier is for you. Just adjust the multiplier till you get to the point where the PPs are winning championships at the same rate as the publics, regardless of the consequences to those PPs like Bishop Noll and Park Tudor. Simple and easy, sure. But fair? I don’t think so.

I argued this for weeks with Coach Gallogly in 2012 when the SF was announced (largely because I thought the SF wouldn’t result in what Publics wanted) and was a lone (REALLY LONE) voice. I believe @Titan32 recalls me tilting at that windmill. Now, I’m just not so sure. Let’s be honest, this whole debate is really about a couple of schools who have for the last 25 years shown up at LOS about every couple of years or so: Cathedral and Chatard. Then add in LCC (who’s success has been relatively recent but pretty dominant for about 10-12 years) and Dwenger and you just about have your “problem” taken care of. Roncalli used to be one of those “problems” and it looks like they might be again. A multiplier (or automatic “bump” dings about 30 other P/Ps who actually should not be bumped). The SF would likely have worked better if the IHSAA had done 3 things at the time: (1) Originally utilized a 2 point requirement versus a 4 point requirement to stay “up”. (2) Not be so “cute” about always matching Cathedral, Chatard and Roncalli in the same sectional to get them out of the tournament making it almost impossible to get the needed 2 points to stay up. Both Chatard and Roncalli would both likely still be “up” a class if this had not been done. Also not be “cute” about things like the gerrymandered Sectional 28....which permitted the travesty of Sectional 30 - better called the “Danville/TriWest Expressway to Semistate”. It’s hard to believe grown@ss adults do shite like that. (3) Have a “rolling” 2 year points period for the SF. At this point, I think I like the result of the SF. I’d never have likely seen the greatest Championship game in my lifetime (2015 Dwenger/New Pal) without it. Several publics these last 10 years have been every bit as good as those P/Ps mentioned above - Columbus East, New Pal and Pioneer immediately come to mind. One other side note. I disagree with RebelDad when he says that only Cathedral could play up 2 classes. Chatard would likely have run roughshod in 5A pre-SF...as should most anyone. 4A, pre SF, would easily have been the toughest class pound for pound there was the last 10-12 years (Cathedral, New Pal, Columbus East, Reitz, Dwenger, Roncalli...that’s a Murderer’s Row). 5A is “evolution in action” because most of those great 4A teams listed above now reside there. So despite my earlier dislike of the SF, I’ve come around to it because it is a targeted, thoughtful and surgical approach rather than the slapdash “one size fits all” approach of an automatic bump or multiplier.

I agree...just bump all PP schools up a class. CC, LCC should never be a A school. At least 2A. Not that these type of schools win championships every single year, but it’s definitely an advantage

The problem in Evansville is that the Athletic director for all Evansville schools was the Central Head Coach for years. Talk about a conflict of interests. How many kids have all the Evansville schools lost to Central who has been uncharacteristically successful the last 4 seasons??? But those Mater Dei kids aren't choosing Reitz anymore... pretty sure they are coming to Memorial given the fall of Reitz coincides with the rise of Memorial. I could be wrong, but I don't think I'm far off. And I don't think Memorial is "recruiting" those kids, but Memorial has access to more students than say Norwell high school because Memorial is literally in the middle of Evansville. The argument is that public schools should be treated the same. But here's the catch, those public schools cannot control their enrollment where p/p schools can.