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For those of you traveling from St Leon, I HIGHLY recommend Ale Emporium after the game. We usually go for the patio after the game. Live music, great food, and ice cold Coca-Colas.

I saw Dick the Bruiser riding a white V65 Magna on 465 when we were going to see Van Halen in 1984. I swear to God I did

The irony is I think some of the only people on this forum that don’t believe that are you Snider guys lol

So Seeger gets their soul and sole possession of 2nd place if they win? Who says these games don't mean anything? I'll take South Vermillion, Covington, North Vermillion & Fountain Central this week.

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Agreed, I just think that this decision is going to be a true indication of where the administration stands. Drop Carmel, Penn just wants to be local champs; drop Mishawaka Penn is at least interested in testing the program against the best traditional teams in the state. Now, the next decision is to move on from the NIC, that will be the next big choice that must be made.

Just how can it not speak for an entire class? If Cathedral had not been bumped then it would have been either Columbus East or New Pal during that time that would have stepped into their place. In the South, I think @oldtimeqb has addressed the weakness of the class. It was only in 2019 that the same Bloomington South team that had lost 42-7 against 3A Chatard in the regular season was playing against New Pal in Semistate and lost 45-0. New Pal went on to win 5A. Just how in the world is a 5A team who had been crushed by a 3A team somehow playing in a 5A Semistate? It’s embarrassing to every other class to hear these excuses and lamentations as regards just how 5A can’t win its own class 7 out of 10 years. Let’s be clear on this….just last year both 4A East Central and 4A Roncalli would have rolled through 5A if they had played in it. Frankly, I think an historically relatively modest 3A Chatard team might have won 5A as well despite not measuring up to either East Central or Roncalli. This year, 4A East Central crushes 5A. This just simply doesn’t happen in ANY other classes….excepting 5A. Where it generally happens roughly 3 out of 4 years. Let’s add another 32 teams. Somewhere in there we will find 3 or 4 quality football teams that are currently sorely lacking in 5A.

BNL (5-3, 4-1 HHC) at Columbus East (3-5, 3-2 HHC) #8/#9 Floyd Central (7-1, 5-0 HHC) at New Albany (2-6, 2-3 HHC) Jennings County (3-5, 0-5 HHC) at Jeffersonville (0-8, 0-5 HHC) Seymour (5-3) at #3 Bloomington South (7-1)

I grew up watching Dick the Bruiser at the Memorial Coliseum wrestling The Sheik and countless other villains. One of my all time favorite wrestlers

Good stuff. Dick the Bruiser is a legend. Had no idea he went to Lafayette Jeff and played football there. Thanks for the history lesson.

THROUGH WEEK 8 Team PPG Reitz 38.63 PPG Castle 37.13 PPG Jasper 32.0 PPG Bosse 31.5 PPG VL 27.38 PPG North 26.25 PPG Memorial 21.0 PPG Mater Dei 19.13 PPG Harrison 8.38 PPG Central 8.13 PPG Defensive Team PPG Reitz 8.13 PPG Memorial 10.63 PPG North 14.8 PPG VL 16.38 PPG Castle 21.3 PPG Jasper 22.8 PPG Mater Dei 27.38 PPG Bosse 38.63 PPG Harrison 40.63 PPG Central 48.63 PPG Team Offensive YPG Bosse 444.1 YPG Reitz 396.9 YPG Castle 342.1 YPG North 340.8 YPG VL 321.3 YPG Jasper 311.6 YPG Memorial 261.0 YPG Mater Dei 251.1 YPG (No Week 6 Stats) Harrison 195.1 YPG Central 158.5 YPG Team Offensive Passing YPG Bosse 223.63 Reitz 193.5 YPG Memorial 167.88 YPG Castle 144.13 YPG North 134.63 YPG Central 110.13 YPG Mater Dei 99.86 YPG (No Week 6 Stats) Harrison 97.5 VL 90.63 YPG Jasper 27.14 YPG (Did not pass in Week 2) Team Offensive Rushing YPG Jasper 287.88 YPG VL 230.13 YPG Bosse 221.34 YPG North 206.13 YPG Reitz 203.38 YPG Castle 198.0 YPG Mater Dei 151.3 YPG (No Week 6 Stats) Harrison 97.63 YPG Memorial 93.13 YPG Central 48.38 YPG Defensive Passing (allowed) Memorial 90.75 (726 yards) (57/120, 0.475) (Avg: 48.6% CR) Bosse 102.0 YPG (714 yards) (53/93, 0.57)(Avg: 53.6% CR)* Reitz 108.88 YPG (871 yards) (64/158, 0.405) (Avg: 35.7% CR) North 120.88 YPG (967 yards) (92/175, 0.526) (Avg: 50.4% CR)* Castle 126.63 YPG (1013 yards) (91/143, 0.636) (Avg: 62.1% CR) Harrison 129.4 YPG (906 yards) (70/110, 0.636) (Avg: 63.4% CR)*** VL 149.0 YPG (1192 yards) (113/195, 0.579) (Avg: 58.3% CR) Central 155.0 YPG (1244 yards) (75/111, 0.676) (Avg: 66.4% CR) Jasper 159.63 YPG (1277 yards) (98/174, 0.563) (Avg: 56.0% CR) Mater Dei 160.5 YPG (1284 yards) (80/126, 0.635) (Avg: 67.4% CR) Defensive Rushing (Allowed) Reitz 96.13 YPG (769 yards) (248C, 2.83 YPC) North 109.25 YPG (874 yards) (231C, 3.46 YPC) Memorial 125 YPG (1000 yards) (245C, 3.82 YPC) Jasper 132.13 YPG (1057 yards) (231C, 4.39 YPC) VL 156.0 YPG (1248 Yards) (239C, 4.69 YPC) Mater Dei 175.38 YPG (1403 yards) (241C, 5.90 YPC) Central 208.25 YPG (1666 yards) (229C, 7.67 YPC) Castle 244.13 YPG (1953 yards) (297C, 6.41 YPC) Harrison 249.13 YPG (1993 yards) (273C, 7.58 YPC) Bosse 265.86 YPG (1861 yards) (252C, 7.41 YPC)* Defensive Total YPG (Allowed) Reitz 205. YPG Memorial 215.75 YPG North 230.13 YPG Jasper 291.75 YPG VL 305.0 YPG Mater Dei 335.88 YPG Harrison 362.38 YPG Central 363.75 YPG Bosse 367.86 YPG* Castle 370.75 YPG

SV - by 300 RP - by 15 NV - by 6 FC - by 28 We definitely have ourselves a 3 way... tie this week folks. DOES anyone in the conference make it out of their sectional this year? I think probably not unfortunately.

So weather is the great equalizer only sometimes. You're right, blowing snow has no affect on a team that throws the football. I put as much stock into a warm bucket of hamster vomit as I do CalPreps. That being said, I wouldn't bet against EC. I'm just saying it wouldn't be the blowout everyone claims it would be. I would have EC as a 58% favorite. Some posters just talk out their ass, someone needs to level the playing field. Self imposed warning point: 1

You know it's bad when you're coaching at ND and drawing comparisons to Tom Allen 😄

For a minute, forgot this was a ND thread, and thought you were talking about Tom Allen.......

Well if Greg Doyel says it.......🙄 Because no one else has ever had a separated shoulder on grass when they are smoked and the body weight of another person drives them into the ground??

Said that last year when they played not to get blown out at Ohio State. His emotions on the sideline rival a 14 year old girl and he is responsible for some of the worst in-game coaching decisions I've seen. At least Mario Cristobal let him off the hook for a little bit.

Has to be cow, can't be confused for Benton Central...

Cow chip for sure.

In my humble opinion, HNAC all-conference is a joke. It in no way reflects the best players at any position. It's simply coaches choosing who they want to have the honor from their own teams. Whatever happened to coaches voting on the best player at each position to be all-conference? If you happen to be the second best player in the conference, but the best player also plays your position, then you aren't all-conference! Sorry. I think all-conference offense should be 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 center, 2 guards, 2 tackles. Coaches vote on the best. They are the all-conference team. Period. If you want to vote on a second team, fine. But giving every team X number of players (regardless of the position they play) based on their finish doesn't mean nearly as much to me. It doesn't truly represent the best players in the conference.

It would be a wrong idea, as long as no taxpayer money was expended. Let the Irsay's/Colts pay for it.

I think they should both forfeit this week.

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Very well said!!! Kind of ridiculous some of the pointless arguments being made by some here. I would put all of 5A against all of 4A and 3A and would like my chances. Additionally, the top of 5A is better than 3A or 4A year in year out

The Judson / Pioneer game should be a good one, but it really doesn't matter who wins it. Next week is when it matters. I found it interesting that the frosh QB started last Friday rather than Hill. Is he the QB going forward? Or should we expect Rans back this week? The Triton / Winamac game will be much closer than some might expect. Winamac is a different team these last few games. I would guess maybe a 2 score game, especially with rainy weather on Friday night. Shively is much more effective when the playing conditions are favorable.

In a way both. I'll start with 1A and say LCC and Lutheran are very strong in 1A consistently. If you move both teams up to 2A, I think they make the class stronger. Same can be said about Andrean and Luers for 2A. I think both are strong in the class, but then when they move up they make 3A stronger, not necessarily strong in 3A. In 3A you have Chatard and Memorial(although Memorial is already in 4A), when in 3A very strong, in 4A make the class stronger. The problem in 4A is everything gets log jammed with the privates because they are all in the same sectional so they just beat each other and nobody moves up to 5A to make the class as a whole stronger. So i guess in some cases p/p is the sword, but with success factor eventually find their place to sharpen the sword. You aren't getting that sword sharpening in 5A because Cathedral just ran through it in 2 years and went to 6A and none of the 4A's can make it there.

Cathedral and Dwenger drift in and out of 5A. Snider, whom the forum seems to respect as the only legitimate 5A program, hangs around this class until they are bumped to 6A. But I'd argue that Valparaiso and Merrillville are legitimate programs that could compete with half of 6A and would be favored against 95% of 4A. Mishawaka is stout as well. I've got Mishawaka handling 90% of 4A. It does get a little sketch after that, I'll have to admit. But I think the three forementioned teams deserve a little more credit than they are getting. Harrison also deserves some respect. They also would take out 90% of 4A. I can't speak for the South, so I'm not going to give a pretend assessment of that region. Someone else will have to stand in for Bloomington North/South, Decatur Central, Whiteland, Plainfield, and Floyd Central. Let's not involve 3A in this debate. It doesn't hold any water at all with the exception of one team. And if one more person makes a claim that Indy Lutheran could win 5A I may have to check out of this forum for good as I just can't trust the credibility of the discussions anymore.

Your Being kind calling them interesting , I have another word for some decisions made in the past . I don't see Penn dropping Valpo , but I would drop Mishawaka like a bad habit over Carmel . Most years , Carmel is going to be a better team than Mishawaka . And Penn needs to play better teams .

But based on enrollment they are 4A. And would be a state contender in 5A. The main 5A team down south is Castle. The largest school in the SIAC by far has been to Semi-State 3 times since 2015, and another 2 times have they lost in Regional. Despite their 5A postseason success, they have never won more than 8 games. Regular seasons of 5-4 vs the SIAC 2A-4A schools (plus 5A Ev North) but then win another 3 tournament games in 5A to get to 8 wins. In 2021 5A South, the semi-state contender was New Albany. Who lost by 40 to 3A Gibson Southern earlier that year. That history doesn't indicate a depth of quality in 5A South to me. In which class would it be easiest to win a state title? My answer is 5A. And as @Lysander pointed out, it's been done by a smaller 4A school more often than not.

Shouldn’t 5A have their “own” Chatard, Cathedral, East Central, Columbus East, New Pal or Roncalli? That’s 5 teams alone in 4A….and let’s not forget just how good Lowell and Reitz were for an extended period 10-15 years ago. Instead, it’s general mediocrity in 5A. Outside of Snider, who actually did play in one of the last (maybe “the” last) 64 team 5A State Championship v. Lawrence Central there is no one. Why does only 5A lack those teams? Almost every other class has them. My point from Day One when 5A came about was that there simply wasn’t a year in and out group of programs that represented the top end excellence you saw in 4A (or other classes). I may well be missing something, but outside of Evansville Memorial winning 4A (which was HUGE) a few years ago has any other class experienced being won by teams from a lower class……ever? In 5A, it’s generally an expectation 70% of the time. Edit..just a quick and irrelevant afterthought. As far as I’m concerned, I think that if you just earn a single point after you are bumped up a class that should be enough to stay up.

RB1 played against VL but based on stats and the film I saw, he didn’t look healthy at all. QB1 I have no clue.

Teams stats will be posted tomorrow, I am currently in the works on team previews for the Sectionals. They will be posted on on the sectional threads.

Regarding the draw it looks fair. Jasper cannot overlook Bosse or it will be another round one exit for Jasper. This sectional being a SIAC redux is just an unfortunate result of geography and class mix. Memorial and Bosse are both on the cusp of 3A and that would change the look of this sectional quite a bit. Regarding the conference: I'm a fan of a system that improves competitive scheduling. The cyclical nature of the sport makes that difficult to do without promotion/relegation or strength of schedule based scheduling. Overall, I find the conference to be competitive and balanced. Four teams make up the bottom. One of them is defending 2A state champ MD, one is Central who just three years ago was conference champ, and one is Bosse who has given fits to most teams they have played this year. The other, (Harrison) beat Jasper last year, so I'm not running them down. Just a couple years ago Vincennes was trying to leave the conference for competitive reasons and now they are a week nine win away from finishing second in the conference. That's how it goes in a deep, competitive conference like the SIAC. I love being a closed conference. Would I change the schedule to make it more competitive? Yes. Would I go back to the schedule Jasper had four years ago? No.

Why would that be? Could it be because their starting QB is still out and recovering? Some nerves setting in? Would think the might Titans wouldn't care how the draw fell as they will walk through it to Lucas Oil Stadium. This is fun, now I see why Titan32 comes into our SIAC threads to throw shade on HS kids! Now back to my Sectional 24/SIAC sectional thread.

It'll never happen. The IHSAA is to bullheaded to accept another idea that isn't their own. They should be ashamed of themselves and embarrassed. No way should Tipp Valley be playing Chatard in the first round. East Noble vs New Haven in round one has turned Sectional 19 into a joke. Then the winner squared off against Leo. This is lunacy.

I don’t believe Marcus Freeman is long for this job.

EC has already convincingly beaten a team in Moeller that is substantially better than any team in 5A (who CalPreps puts at a 92% chance of beating Snider, fwiw). Only thing I'm going to say about the snowstorm comment is that Valpo played in the same weather. If Snider was that much better the weather should not have been a factor. Just sounds like sour grapes.