ASJCPUMA Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 Is it possible if one school cannot field a team and another school have low numbers of consolidating their numbers into one team? Not sure if this has been discussed before but just wondering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irishman Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 52 minutes ago, ASJCPUMA said: Is it possible if one school cannot field a team and another school have low numbers of consolidating their numbers into one team? Not sure if this has been discussed before but just wondering. Nope, the IHSAA does not allowed co-ops There is an exception for individual students based on curriculum "Q. 12-8 If a student lives in the attendance area of Public School A, but Enrolls at Public School B (a School which offers innovative teaching methods and has no athletic programs involving an IHSAA Recognized Sport), can the student play football on School A’s football team? A. Yes, provided (i) Public School A accepts the student in its football program, (ii) the student, Public School A and Public School B, each inform the IHSAA of student’s participation in Public School A’s football program, (iii) there exist no apparent IHSAA rule violations and (iv) the student meets all IHSAA eligibility standards and all of Public School B’s standards. (rule 12-4)" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muda69 Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 14 hours ago, Irishman said: Nope, the IHSAA does not allowed co-ops Which is stupid, frankly. It should allow co-ops, like our neighbors to the west do, and with much success. 14 hours ago, Irishman said: There is an exception for individual students based on curriculum "Q. 12-8 If a student lives in the attendance area of Public School A, but Enrolls at Public School B (a School which offers innovative teaching methods and has no athletic programs involving an IHSAA Recognized Sport), can the student play football on School A’s football team? This is what allows the students at a public school like the Indiana Academy for Science, Mathematics, and Humanities, which has no athletic programs at all, to play on the athletic teams at Muncie Burris. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donnie Baker Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 10 hours ago, Muda69 said: Which is stupid, frankly. It should allow co-ops, like our neighbors to the west do, and with much success. This is what allows the students at a public school like the Indiana Academy for Science, Mathematics, and Humanities, which has no athletic programs at all, to play on the athletic teams at Muncie Burris. Co-ops and legal weed are 2 things Illinois got right. I swear to God they are 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goose Liver Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 11 hours ago, Donnie Baker said: Co-ops and legal weed are 2 things Illinois got right. I swear to God they are Donnie you are a trip! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tango Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 12 hours ago, Donnie Baker said: Co-ops and legal weed are 2 things Illinois got right. I swear to God they are Top 10 GID post all-time.... 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donnie Baker Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 6 hours ago, tango said: Top 10 GID post all-time.... STATE LAW! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiteshoes Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 On 6/28/2023 at 9:26 PM, ASJCPUMA said: Is it possible if one school cannot field a team and another school have low numbers of consolidating their numbers into one team? Not sure if this has been discussed before but just wondering. I have never understood why it is not allowed in Indiana. Almost all other states have coop schools in their lower divisions. But then again, there are several things other states do that would benefit our schools here, but, after all, it is the IHSAA which is against any change in any form. Sometimes I wonder if they even look at what other states are doing to see if something that works would benefit us. But again, this is Indiana where progress is a dirty word. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobref Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 On 6/29/2023 at 11:46 AM, Muda69 said: Which is stupid, frankly. It should allow co-ops, like our neighbors to the west do, and with much success. My understanding is the IHSAA doesn’t want a situation like this: Little Johnny’s School A doesn’t have a football team, so he plays on School B’s team. Then comes basketball season, and school A, with Johnny a team member, plays against School B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muda69 Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 4 minutes ago, Bobref said: My understanding is the IHSAA doesn’t want a situation like this: Little Johnny’s School A doesn’t have a football team, so he plays on School B’s team. Then comes basketball season, and school A, with Johnny a team member, plays against School B. Ok. I don't understand the conflict in such a situation. Two completely different sports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash Riprock Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 32 minutes ago, Muda69 said: Ok. I don't understand the conflict in such a situation. Two completely different sports. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muda69 Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 1 hour ago, Bash Riprock said: No, I'm not. I honestly don't understand the dilemma regarding the situation Bobref described. I guess I don't agree in Bobref's scenario that the football team is "School B's team". The idea behind a co-op is that neither school A or school B can field a football team on it's own, hence the need to cooperate. It would be 'School A+B's team" would it not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxbat Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 2 hours ago, Bobref said: My understanding is the IHSAA doesn’t want a situation like this: Little Johnny’s School A doesn’t have a football team, so he plays on School B’s team. Then comes basketball season, and school A, with Johnny a team member, plays against School B. Could the IHSAA basically say that, should schools decide to form a co-op, said co-op is an all-sports co-op? That is, they would perform as a co-op across all sports instead of just football or just baseball? That would address that concern, although it would also likely have most schools decide if it's all or none, they'll take none. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash Riprock Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 3 hours ago, Muda69 said: No, I'm not. I honestly don't understand the dilemma regarding the situation Bobref described. I guess I don't agree in Bobref's scenario that the football team is "School B's team". The idea behind a co-op is that neither school A or school B can field a football team on it's own, hence the need to cooperate. It would be 'School A+B's team" would it not? I was just kidding with you. I can see a conflicts with other sports coming into play... Growing up in a rural part of the state before consolidation, there was only one choice if someone wanted to play football. And that was to attend the "city" school. Those smaller schools were fierce rivals in other sports such as hoops. I don't think it would have worked during the fall to merge a couple of those schools together to play a single sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiting89 Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 22 hours ago, Bobref said: My understanding is the IHSAA doesn’t want a situation like this: Little Johnny’s School A doesn’t have a football team, so he plays on School B’s team. Then comes basketball season, and school A, with Johnny a team member, plays against School B. That’s not how it works I believe it would be highland munster coop football then highland basketball and Munster basketball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheez Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 As a former Indiana HS football coach who is now in my second year coaching in Michigan, I just thought I'd chime in and share how co-ops work in Michigan. An example, Covert High School has 96 students. Bangor High School, with 349 students, is 12 minutes away. The two schools co-op for football, so Covert students can go and play at Bangor under the name "Bangor Vikings," and the MHSAA uses the combined enrollment of 445 for classification purposes. In every other sport, Covert and Bangor each field their own separate teams - they opened their basketball seasons against each other in 2022-23. I think the main reason the IHSAA doesn't allow (or, rather, hasn't addressed the idea of co-ops) is simply because the amount of small schools who would be impacted by co-ops is fairly small. Michigan schools are organized much differently, so there are nearly 200 high schools throughout the State - public and private - with enrollments below 200 students. By comparison, a quick peek at the IHSAA member list shows that there are less than 40 high schools in the whole State of Indiana that have an enrollment below 200. Here's the MHSAA list of approved co-op programs for 2022-23 - It's 28 pages long (each school is listed twice, so 14 pages of co-op teams): https://www.mhsaa.com/sites/default/files/Enrollment and Classification/2223hscoop.PDF To be fair a quick glance at the approved co-op teams also shows that a large number of these co-op football programs also happen to play 8-man so it's fair to say that the two schools are in a position that, without the co-op, *neither* team would be able to field an 8-man program. Here's a link from the MHSAA explaining the co-op process: https://my.mhsaa.com/portals/0/documents/AD Forms/srcoop.pdf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobref Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Whiting89 said: That’s not how it works I believe it would be highland munster coop football then highland basketball and Munster basketball Same difference. The IHSAA wants to avoid divided loyalties. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimeqb Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 (edited) 10 hours ago, Cheez said: An example, Covert High School has 96 students. Bangor High School, with 349 students, is 12 minutes away. The two schools co-op for football, so Covert students can go and play at Bangor under the name "Bangor Vikings," and the MHSAA uses the combined enrollment of 445 for classification purposes. In every other sport, Covert and Bangor each field their own separate teams - they opened their basketball seasons against each other in 2022-23. Thanks for the input. I appreciate the perspective. And saying ‘Well, those 96 kids at Covert shouldn’t get a chance to play football because they will play against Bangor in basketball’ is a pretty ridiculous viewpoint. Glad for them MHSAA doesn’t take that stance. But that is just me. Edited July 3, 2023 by oldtimeqb 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gipper Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 On 6/30/2023 at 5:28 PM, Donnie Baker said: STATE LAW! Anything for more tax revenue in Illinois.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustRules Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 I'm from one of the many states that uses co-ops for the small schools and they vary from sport to sport. The thought of potential conflict never crosses anyone's minds. Ultimately high school sports are about participation with a good dose of competition. Allowing the co-ops provides more opportunities for some students to participate. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donnie Baker Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 2 hours ago, JustRules said: I'm from one of the many states that uses co-ops for the small schools and they vary from sport to sport. The thought of potential conflict never crosses anyone's minds. Ultimately high school sports are about participation with a good dose of competition. Allowing the co-ops provides more opportunities for some students to participate. Sometimes the adults forget who high school sports are really for. I swear to God they do 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impartial_Observer Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 On 7/4/2023 at 7:24 PM, Donnie Baker said: Sometimes the adults forget who high school sports are really for. I swear to God they do AefffingMEN! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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