Frozen Tundra Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 Just now, NLCTigerFan07 said: Exactly - what will happen instead is Classes 1A-4A will end up less than 64 classes to adjust. Class 6A and 5A have to have a minimum of 32 classes each (outside of last year's COVID debacle) Yeah I don’t think the players and coaches that had double-byes in 6A this year would like to do that again. I feel like that would be universal across the board. Two weeks off is too long, especially when everyone else is only off for one week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crimsonace1 Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 27 minutes ago, Indiana Fan said: Yes that is definitely another option that works. I find it hard to split up Carmel, Zionsville, Westfield. But again, there will have to be cutoffs somewhere. It will be interesting for the North. Just can't believe there will be this long of a wait until we see these announced. Not sure what the hold up is. They have a realignment committee that goes over the maps and assigns the tournament sites. It takes time to get the committees organized. Also, there are multiple sports to have to deal with and with the way the IHSAA now does classes, it means a completely different map for each sport (it used to be, baseball/softball/boys hoops/girls hoops/volleyball were all classified together, but now, each sport is classified separately and you have one or two schools that are, for example, 3A in boys hoops and 2A in girls hoops because of the enrollment cutoffs being different because not all schools offer girls basketball). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLCTigerFan07 Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 Just now, Frozen Tundra said: Yeah I don’t think the players and coaches that had double-byes in 6A this year would like to do that again. I feel like that would be universal across the board. Two weeks off is too long, especially when everyone else is only off for one week. I can guarantee you Warsaw was not a fan of going 21 days between playing games, and it was obvious watching their first half of the game against Carroll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crimsonace1 Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 I only have 4A-6A done so far, but here's the map for those who want to take their own stab at figuring out who goes where. https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?mid=1O6J1oaoKWSgPWgPhsL7-eng1-_vqyqEr&usp=sharing 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frozen Tundra Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 2 minutes ago, NLCTigerFan07 said: I can guarantee you Warsaw was not a fan of going 21 days between playing games, and it was obvious watching their first half of the game against Carroll. Exactly. I knew it wasn’t going to matter for Columbus North regardless. Nobody in that sectional was stopping Center Grove. I definitely felt for Warsaw. It essentially ruined the momentum from their great regular season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLCTigerFan07 Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 9 minutes ago, crimsonace1 said: I only have 4A-6A done so far, but here's the map for those who want to take their own stab at figuring out who goes where. https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?mid=1O6J1oaoKWSgPWgPhsL7-eng1-_vqyqEr&usp=sharing Call me crazy, but I feel like 5A North is pretty simple. Sectional 9: Hammon Central, Hammond Morton, Merrillville, Munster Sectional 10: Chesterton, LaPorte, Michigan City, Valparaiso Sectional 11: Concord, Goshen, Mishawaka, SB Adams Sectional 12: Anderson, FW Dwenger, FW North, FW Snider 5A South could have a few options: Sectional 13: Decatur Central, Harrison (WL), McCutcheon, Plainfield Sectional 14: Bloomington North, Bloomington South, Terre Haute North, Terre Haute South Sectional 15: Columbus East, Franklin, Seymour, Whiteland Sectional 16: Castle, Evansville North, Floyd Central, New Albany Sectional 13: Harrison (WL), McCutcheon, Terre Haute North, Terre Haute South Sectional 14: Bloomington North, Bloomington South, Decatur Central, Plainfield Sectional 15: Columbus East, Franklin, Seymour, Whiteland Sectional 16: Castle, Evansville North, Floyd Central, New Albany Sectional 13: Decatur Central, Harrison (WL), McCutcheon, Plainfield Sectional 14: Bloomington North, Bloomington South, Franklin, Whiteland Sectional 15: Columbus East, Floyd Central, New Albany, Seymour Sectional 16: Castle, Evansville North, Terre Haute North, Terre Haute South Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scarab527 Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 9 minutes ago, NLCTigerFan07 said: Call me crazy, but I feel like 5A North is pretty simple. Sectional 9: Hammon Central, Hammond Morton, Merrillville, Munster Sectional 10: Chesterton, LaPorte, Michigan City, Valparaiso Sectional 11: Concord, Goshen, Mishawaka, SB Adams Sectional 12: Anderson, FW Dwenger, FW North, FW Snider 5A South could have a few options: Sectional 13: Decatur Central, Harrison (WL), McCutcheon, Plainfield Sectional 14: Bloomington North, Bloomington South, Terre Haute North, Terre Haute South Sectional 15: Columbus East, Franklin, Seymour, Whiteland Sectional 16: Castle, Evansville North, Floyd Central, New Albany Sectional 13: Harrison (WL), McCutcheon, Terre Haute North, Terre Haute South Sectional 14: Bloomington North, Bloomington South, Decatur Central, Plainfield Sectional 15: Columbus East, Franklin, Seymour, Whiteland Sectional 16: Castle, Evansville North, Floyd Central, New Albany Sectional 13: Decatur Central, Harrison (WL), McCutcheon, Plainfield Sectional 14: Bloomington North, Bloomington South, Franklin, Whiteland Sectional 15: Columbus East, Floyd Central, New Albany, Seymour Sectional 16: Castle, Evansville North, Terre Haute North, Terre Haute South Looks accurate. Feel like Anderson could go south and either Harrison or McCutcheon could come up north, but the ihsaa will probably keep the Lafayette school together. Plus sending Anderson south sort of keeps things clean. The first batch of sectionals you have for the south would make the most sense to me. 5A actually seems like it’ll be pretty interesting this year. No team stands out as a clear favorite like the past couple of years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmerFran Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 So if I'm reading this correctly, success factor points will be based on 2020 and 2021 football seasons. So teams that were already bumped up after 2020 cycle get the same points tacked on a second time? That hardly seems fair in the scope of things. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimeqb Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 16 minutes ago, NLCTigerFan07 said: Call me crazy, but I feel like 5A North is pretty simple. Sectional 9: Hammon Central, Hammond Morton, Merrillville, Munster Sectional 10: Chesterton, LaPorte, Michigan City, Valparaiso Sectional 11: Concord, Goshen, Mishawaka, SB Adams Sectional 12: Anderson, FW Dwenger, FW North, FW Snider 5A South could have a few options: Sectional 13: Decatur Central, Harrison (WL), McCutcheon, Plainfield Sectional 14: Bloomington North, Bloomington South, Terre Haute North, Terre Haute South Sectional 15: Columbus East, Franklin, Seymour, Whiteland Sectional 16: Castle, Evansville North, Floyd Central, New Albany Sectional 13: Harrison (WL), McCutcheon, Terre Haute North, Terre Haute South Sectional 14: Bloomington North, Bloomington South, Decatur Central, Plainfield Sectional 15: Columbus East, Franklin, Seymour, Whiteland Sectional 16: Castle, Evansville North, Floyd Central, New Albany Sectional 13: Decatur Central, Harrison (WL), McCutcheon, Plainfield Sectional 14: Bloomington North, Bloomington South, Franklin, Whiteland Sectional 15: Columbus East, Floyd Central, New Albany, Seymour Sectional 16: Castle, Evansville North, Terre Haute North, Terre Haute South 5A South really is like a Legos. Lots of doubled pairs depending on how you want to connect them. Castle/Ev North have been paired east (Floyd/New Albany) - North (TH North and South) and Northeast (Bloomington North/South) in the past. I would assume Columbus East/Seymour and Franklin/Whiteland are pretty much matched sets as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julio Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 6A = 32 Teams 5A = All Left Over Teams 4A = 64 Teams 3A = 64 Teams 2A = 64 Teams 1A = 64 Teams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDGiant93 Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 17 hours ago, NLCTigerFan07 said: With the enrollment numbers posted, and the statement from the meeting notes of "Point totals from 2020-21 and the current school year will be used to determine Tournament Success Factor movement." (meaning Cathedral will get bumped up to 6A) - here is my stab at 6A Sectional assignments. The biggest issue? There are 9 schools north of U.S. Route 24, so at least 3 schools will have to be brought "north" to make up at least 3 of the sectional groupings. My guess? Obviously Lafayette Jeff, but also Westfield and Noblesville. Sectional 1: Crown Point, Lafayette Jeff, Lake Central, Portage Sectional 2: Elkhart, Penn, Warsaw, Westfield Sectional 3: Carroll, Homestead, Noblesville, Northrop Sectional 4: Carmel, Fishers, Hamilton Southeastern, Zionsville Sectional 5: Avon, Ben Davis, Brownsburg, Pike Sectional 6: Arsenal Tech, Perry Meridian, Southport, Warren Central Sectional 7: Cathedral, Lawrence Central, Lawrence North, North Central Sectional 8: Center Grove, Columbus North, Franklin Central, Jeffersonville The North Sectionals are all crazy now. No telling what the IHSAA will do. I like your effort. I was stumped up north. Geographically this makes sense in the south. 4 hours ago, crimsonace1 said: With 6A, it's a matter of trying to figure out what they're going to do with Jeff & the Fort Wayne-area schools. There are 9 schools in Northern Indiana, Jeff is on an island, and then six in the Hamilton County/Zionsville cluster. The south is pretty cut-and-dried. 1: Lake Central, Portage, Crown Point, Lafayette Jeff 2: Elkhart, Penn, Warsaw, Carroll 3. Homestead, Northrop, Westfield, Noblesville 4: Carmel, Zionsville, HSE, Fishers OR 1: Lake Central, Portage, Crown Point, Elkhart 2: Penn, Warsaw, Northrop, Carroll 3: Homestead, Noblesville, HSE, Fishers 4: Westfield, Zionsville, Carmel, Lafayette Jeff 5: North Central, Lawrence Central, Lawrence North, Cathedral 6: Pike, Ben Davis, Brownsburg, Avon 7: Tech, Warren Central, Southport, Perry Meridian 8: Columbus North, Jeffersonville, Center Grove, Franklin Central Like this one too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crimsonace1 Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 58 minutes ago, Julio said: 6A = 32 Teams 5A = All Left Over Teams 4A = 64 Teams 3A = 64 Teams 2A = 64 Teams 1A = 64 Teams No. 6A = 32 teams 5A = 32 teams (+ any leftovers if there are more than 320) 4A-1A = Leftover teams up to 64 per class. If there are not an equal number of schools, the smallest classes will get the extra teams. There are 317 football-playing schools, so 6A will have 32 teams, 5A will have 32. In a normal year, 4A-2A would have 63 each and 1A 64, but with the possibility of Success Factor drops, that may change. 1 hour ago, FarmerFran said: So if I'm reading this correctly, success factor points will be based on 2020 and 2021 football seasons. So teams that were already bumped up after 2020 cycle get the same points tacked on a second time? That hardly seems fair in the scope of things. It's not going to be perfect, but with a three-year cycle, everything got screwed up. Success was based on the last two years at the point of reclassification, so yes, Pioneer & Southridge get an extra year up (and New Pal moves down a year earlier than originally expected). 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crimsonace1 Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 I've reached out to the IHSAA try to get clarification on how Chatard, WeBo & LCC will be handled. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxbat Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 3 hours ago, NLCTigerFan07 said: I would just be completely shocked if they break up the Fort Wayne schools, but I guess it is entirely possible. LCC was 2A south this past season, so like you said, it's possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLCTigerFan07 Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 38 minutes ago, foxbat said: LCC was 2A south this past season, so like you said, it's possible. Not sure how LCC being in 2A South has anything to do with the 3 6A Fort Wayne schools being broken up? Are you just meeaning/saying that basically who knows what could happen because the IHSAA has done "random" stuff in the past? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indiana Fan Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 5 hours ago, crimsonace1 said: With 6A, it's a matter of trying to figure out what they're going to do with Jeff & the Fort Wayne-area schools. There are 9 schools in Northern Indiana, Jeff is on an island, and then six in the Hamilton County/Zionsville cluster. The south is pretty cut-and-dried. 1: Lake Central, Portage, Crown Point, Lafayette Jeff 2: Elkhart, Penn, Warsaw, Carroll 3. Homestead, Northrop, Westfield, Noblesville 4: Carmel, Zionsville, HSE, Fishers OR 1: Lake Central, Portage, Crown Point, Elkhart 2: Penn, Warsaw, Northrop, Carroll 3: Homestead, Noblesville, HSE, Fishers 4: Westfield, Zionsville, Carmel, Lafayette Jeff 5: North Central, Lawrence Central, Lawrence North, Cathedral 6: Pike, Ben Davis, Brownsburg, Avon 7: Tech, Warren Central, Southport, Perry Meridian 8: Columbus North, Jeffersonville, Center Grove, Franklin Central I know that the IHSAA does not like to split up schools from the same district, but it could work to provide a change to sectional 7 and 8. Using the google maps and a more North and South approach you could have... Sectional 7: Warren Central, Tech, Franklin Central, Southport Sectional 8: Perry Meridian, Center Grove, Columbus North, Jeffersonville I know this is highly unlikely, but it is a potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxbat Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 10 minutes ago, NLCTigerFan07 said: Not sure how LCC being in 2A South has anything to do with the 3 6A Fort Wayne schools being broken up? Are you just meeaning/saying that basically who knows what could happen because the IHSAA has done "random" stuff in the past? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crimsonace1 Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 There was apparently some bad data. Have heard from several people the IHSAA has circulated a memo to the schools stating the enrollments posted have some discrepancies and are in the process of being corrected. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 19 hours ago, MarshallCounty said: Good old Frank DeSantis. Fire Up, Fire Up!!! He only gerrymandered the sectional because Bill Sharpe asked him to. Is that the whole truth? 19 hours ago, MarshallCounty said: Good old Frank DeSantis. Fire Up, Fire Up!!! He only gerrymandered the sectional because Bill Sharpe asked him to. colonialism. 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarshallCounty Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 9 minutes ago, Robert said: Is that the whole truth? colonialism. 🙂 Truth? Why is that important? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 3 hours ago, crimsonace1 said: They have a realignment committee that goes over the maps and assigns the tournament sites. It takes time to get the committees organized. Also, there are multiple sports to have to deal with and with the way the IHSAA now does classes, it means a completely different map for each sport (it used to be, baseball/softball/boys hoops/girls hoops/volleyball were all classified together, but now, each sport is classified separately and you have one or two schools that are, for example, 3A in boys hoops and 2A in girls hoops because of the enrollment cutoffs being different because not all schools offer girls basketball). It's amazing to me that some states seem to be able to to it overnight and we decide to have committee after committee. 2 minutes ago, MarshallCounty said: Truth? Why is that important? It's just a crock of crap that two guys had that much influence over a tournament. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 43 minutes ago, foxbat said: Why would the IHSAA just do something randomly...because people like DeSantis and Sharpe have influence? I know Sharpe is a great guy and people swear DeSantis is, but I've worked with principals and ADs a long time...they do what they want, when they want, how they want....my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st_and_10 Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 19 minutes ago, crimsonace1 said: There was apparently some bad data. Have heard from several people the IHSAA is circulating a memo stating the enrollments posted have some discrepancies and are in the process of being corrected. The link is gone again.. They must be correcting it again... I've seen Monkey $#!t fights as the zoo more organized than this... As my friend @Donnie Bakersays, I swear to God I have. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punttheball Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 One number that threw up a red flag to me was the Bremen enrollment. If their number was accurate, that firmly places them in 3a. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superjay Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 4 minutes ago, 1st_and_10 said: The link is gone again.. They must be correcting it again... I've seen Monkey $#!t fights as the zoo more organized than this... As my friend @Donnie Bakersays, I swear to God I have. Anything to get WeBo back to 2A! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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