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Best way to even the score when you are hosting "Dirty, Cheatin' Catholics" at your facility is to make sure to have a Fish Fry, but lose the utensils. True "Dirty, Cheatin' Catholics" can't resist a fish fry during tailgating, even outside of Lent, and will eat the fish with their fingers; making it harder for their receivers and backs to hang on to the ball.

Nationwide there are states with far less schools and smaller populations that have qualifying formats. Wyoming has a qualifying format. As does Alaska. They have a qualifying format because teams that go 0-9 don't deserve to play a postseason game. Cambridge City Lincoln is the lowest rated Sagarin team in the entire state. Not only is CC Lincoln playing in the postseason, they have a first round bye. That's an utter travesty.

Shocking....man, did not see that one coming......

Man I forgot how much they look alike

Maybe playing a tougher schedule better prepares a team to handle adversity, whether it be the opponent or bad weather. What is that line I see on here sometimes about ifs and buts being my aunt's candies and nuts and my uncle having a wonderful Christmas?

I agree it would be great to make these games really exciting. That being said in reality the reason why States like Ohio and Texas have a qualify tournament isn't really to make football better and more exciting although that is the bi-product of having the qualify. The true reason these states have a qualifying format playoff instead of a post season tournament is because the have so many schools playing football they have to have a qualifying format. In all honesty Indiana with 330 football playing schools that is a lower number that can do an all in format. Ohio and Texas don't have that luxury. While I personally think a Qualifying playoff format would be great I think anyone would have a difficult time getting the IHSAA to do that.

This is a worthwhile effort that, I hope, will drive a stake through the heart of this myth once and for all. I am in lockstep with @Footballking16’s thinking on this issue. But while he is no doubt right in his conclusion, I place more emphasis on what such a qualifying format would do for the regular season. By raising the stakes for many, many regular season games, the whole season becomes more competitive. The level of interest and the caliber of play would rise accordingly. Better for everyone.

Get your phrases straight - it’s “Dirty, Cheatin’ Catholics”.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."

Proctologist.

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/the-shame-of-notre-dame/ University public-relations and legal teams have so far failed to reply to the Rover’s repeated inquiries. Meanwhile, a Notre Dame Law School alumnus who goes by “Eudaimonia” on Twitter reported on an upcoming panel at his alma mater. Held under the auspices of the LGBT Law Forum, the panel is titled “Decriminalizing Sex Work,” and one of the featured speakers is described as a “law-student sex worker.” What the hell is going on at Notre Dame? The short answer is that large swaths of the faculty and administration have traded in the university’s Catholic identity and mission for the pottage of liberal acceptance and prestige. Father John Jenkins, the university’s president, exemplifies the pusillanimity and self-abasement of Notre Dame leaders. In 2009, Jenkins honored the newly elected President Barack Obama, a champion of the culture of death. In 2016, he bestowed American Catholicism’s highest honor, the Laetare Medal, on then-Vice President Joe Biden, another abortion supporter. Hope the liberal head-pats are worth it, Father! The deeper answer has to do with the generational crisis in Catholic education. In 1967, leading Catholic educators—including then-Notre Dame President Theodore M. Hesburgh—declared themselves free of “authority of whatever kind, lay or clerical, external to the academic community itself,” in what became known as the Land O’Lakes Statement (the position paper was adopted at a gathering in Land O’Lakes, Wisconsin). This bold casting off of authority ran utterly contrary to the ancient precepts of the Catholic university. Formerly, Catholic education drew on the classical tradition, which held that the educator’s role is to help students learn to love what is lovable and contemn what is hateful or wrong. And it recognized the special role of the Church as humankind’s divinely ordained guide in this regard. Free inquiry and free speech, in this telling, weren’t absolute masters, but servants that had to be carefully restrained to yield good work. The Land O’Lakes signatories sought to unshackle themselves from these precepts, and behold what they wrought. At many Catholic universities, including increasingly at Notre Dame, the “liberal arts” mirror the narrow specialization, technocratic blandness, and haphazard quality of their secular counterparts. Not to mention the moral degradation. In response to all this, an older generation of Catholic academics, including not a few hopelessly timid conservatives at Notre Dame, insist that more free speech and more free inquiry are the answer, as if that weren’t what brought us to the current nadir. But young, orthodox Catholics are increasingly seeing through the academic-freedom ruse, and demanding something more. As DeReuil, the Rover editor-in-chief, wrote in an editorial last week: The present at Notre Dame is utterly bleak. But the next generation bears hope. Sad to see such a great institution go woke...............

Can't punish Bishop Luers with a two win season when three of the teams they play are in 6A, three are in 5A, two are in 4A, and one is 3A. If you want to go by win/loss records, then the only wins that count are the ones in your class or above. In this example, Luers would be 2-0.

Not to mention there are probably more Catholics on GS team (or HH for that matter) than Chatard's.....sorry, couldn't pass on that one, all the Chatard folks don't get too wadded up... Everybody wants Bama, until they get Bama. We have had a bunch of close heartbreakers with Chatard over the years and just one win. Frankly, it doesn't bother me at all when they are in 4A, makes 3A more interesting. Be careful what you wish for. Playing Chatard in the regular season and the postseason are 2 different animals.

Well, 2 people want change, neither of whom are affiliated with the athletic department of an Indiana High School. If the schools themselves want change, they should petition the IHSAA and put it to a vote among member schools.

Seeding the sectionals 1-4 in 5A-6A and 1-8 in the remaining classes would be the precursor to a qualifying format the cuts the field in half at the conclusion of the regular season after a tenth game is added. A qualifying format that uses a rating system that factors in W-L, opp W-L, SOS, and opp SOS will give weight to smaller schools who play in larger classes. Luers and Mater Dei are prime examples. 4-5 Luers finished 8th in 2A Sagarin despite going 4-5 and in previous tournaments as recently as 2019 and 2020 qualified comfortably despite going 2-7 and 3-6.

Just curious, is this an argument to qualify for the tournament or just for it to be seeded? There seems to be a bit of both sentiments in the comments. I think seeding is probably a good idea, but all teams should still participate. Keep in mind several conferences that cover 3 different classes, a 1A school might be getting beat up by bigger schools and then make a run in the tournament.

Agree with everything you said. I think higher strength of schedule is definitely a benefit in a vacuum. Playing better competition and having to win tough games will help you when you get in that situation during the playoffs, all else equal. But I think you also run the risk of more injuries and you may come out of it worse than when you started, especially for 3A schools who don't have the same depth as 5/6A schools. I know Chatard has several starters out right now, although not sure for how long, but that could prove to be a negative of playing the schedule they did. But at the end of the day, it's about the dudes, like you said. If you've got the dudes, it doesn't really matter who you've played. 2015 GS team is a perfect example. They had the dudes and Chatard's strength of schedule would have made no difference. The only thing that could have stopped that team from beating Chatard was an act of God, which is why I'm grateful we are a Catholic school (only kidding, tons of respect of GS and know that outcome would have been different).

End of week 8 up until kickoff of the opening round of sectionals always brings up the qualifier debate, one I'm deeply passionate about. One of the biggest talking points for keeping the all-in is this roundabout myth that bottom half Sagarin teams flourish in the state tournament. Short answer is....they don't. If sectionals were seeded accordingly it would only further my point that a qualifier that cuts the field in half at the conclusion of the regular season is more than an appropriate measure for the IHSAA to put out a more competitive and exciting product come tournament time. I have decided to once again track every postseason outcome (especially games that feature a top half Sagarin rated team vs a bottom half Sagarin rated team), and if history repeats itself, will only further the narrative for a new postseason format. 6A Sectional 1 Crown Point (7) vs Portage (28) Lake Central (23) vs Lafayette Jefferson (16) Sectional 2 FW Carroll (9) vs Penn (14) Elkhart (21) vs Warsaw (17) Sectional 3 Fishers (8) vs FW Northrop (29) Homestead (22) vs HSE (4) Sectional 4 Westfield (10) vs Carmel (5) Zionsville (20) vs Noblesville (18) Sectional 5 Brownsburg (2) vs Ben Davis (6) Avon (19) vs Pike (24) Sectional 6 Lawrence North (13) vs Cathedral (1) North Central (27) vs Lawrence Central (12) Sectional 7 Tech (30) vs Perry Meridian (25) Warren Central (11) vs Southport (31) Sectional 8 Center Grove (3) vs Franklin Central (15) Columbus North (26) vs Jeffersonville (32) 5A SECTIONAL 9 Munster (30) at Merrillville (5) Hammond Central (25) at Hammond Morton (32) SECTIONAL 10 Valparaiso (9) at LaPorte (23) Chesterton (7) at Michigan City (19) SECTIONAL 11 Concord (15) at Goshen (28) South Bend Adams (26) at Mishawaka (8) SECTIONAL 12 Anderson (27) at Fort Wayne North (6) Fort Wayne Snider (1) at Fort Wayne Dwenger (16) SECTIONAL 13 McCutcheon (21) at Decatur Central (11) Plainfield (13) at Harrison (West Lafayette) (10) SECTIONAL 14 [BRACKET] Franklin (4) at Terre Haute South (12) Terre Haute North (24) at Whiteland (2) SECTIONAL 15 [BRACKET] Seymour (22) at Bloomington North (18) Bloomington South (3) at Columbus East (20) SECTIONAL 16 Floyd Central (29) at Evansville North (17) Castle (14) at New Albany (31) 4A SECTIONAL 17 Lowell (26) at Culver Academy (42) Kankakee Valley (43) at New Prairie (10) Gary West (28) at Hobart (16) Highland (45) at East Chicago Central (62) SECTIONAL 18 Wawasee (46) at Logansport (25) Northridge (18) at South Bend Riley (41) NorthWood (5) at South Bend Washington (56) South Bend St. Joseph (38) at Plymouth (53) SECTIONAL 19 East Noble (30) at Angola (23) Fort Wayne South (50) at Leo (17) New Haven (29) at DeKalb (39) Columbia City (6) at Fort Wayne Wayne (32) SECTIONAL 20 Mississinewa (27) at Marion (54) Huntington North (44) at Muncie Central (36) Kokomo (11) at Frankfort (61) Western (24) at Jay County (52) SECTIONAL 21 Brebeuf Jesuit (4) at Northview (21) Lebanon (20) at Mooresville (8) Indianapolis Roncalli (2) at Indianapolis Shortridge (59) Indianapolis Washington (63) at Indianapolis Attucks (58) SECTIONAL 22 Richmond (57) at Connersville (37) Beech Grove (31) at New Castle (40) New Palestine (1) at Mount Vernon (Fortville) (9) Pendleton Heights (19) at Greenfield-Central (12) SECTIONAL 23 Bedford North Lawrence (35) at Shelbyville (49) Martinsville (13) at Greenwood (33) Silver Creek (51) at Jennings County (48) Edgewood (60) at East Central (3) SECTIONAL 24 Evansville Memorial (14) at Evansville Bosse (47) Boonville (22) at Evansville Harrison (34) Evansville Central (55) at Evansville Reitz (7) Jasper (15) at Winner Game 1 3A SECTIONAL 25 Twin Lakes (60) at West Lafayette (2) Boone Grove (50) at Calumet (31) Griffith (46) at River Forest (48) Hanover Central (6) at Rensselaer Central (34) SECTIONAL 26 Mishawaka Marian (42) at West Noble (23) Lakeland (44) at Knox (16) South Bend Clay (64) at Jimtown (24) Fairfield (39) at John Glenn (37) SECTIONAL 27 Norwell (1) at Heritage (27) Fort Wayne Concordia (32) at Woodlan (38) Yorktown (14) at Delta (28) Bellmont (59) at Garrett (36) SECTIONAL 28 Indianapolis Chatard (3) at Northwestern (53) Hamilton Heights (13) at Maconaquah (47) Guerin Catholic (9) at Oak Hill (10) Tippecanoe Valley (18) at Peru (56) SECTIONAL 29 Western Boone (5) at Crawfordsville (54) Tri-West (8) at Danville (25) Monrovia (45) at Purdue Polytechnic (63) Speedway (19) at North Montgomery (21) SECTIONAL 30 Vincennes Lincoln (17) at Gibson Southern (7) Owen Valley (12) at Mount Vernon (Posey) (26) Princeton (62) at West Vigo (57) Washington (61) at Pike Central (58) SECTIONAL 31 Lawrenceburg (4) at South Dearborn (22) Greensburg (43) at Rushville (52) Indian Creek (30) at Franklin County (41) Batesville (40) at Centerville (33) SECTIONAL 32 Scottsburg (49) at Corydon Central (51) North Harrison (29) at Southridge (11) Madison (35) at Heritage Hills (15) Charlestown (19) at Salem (55) 2A SECTIONAL 33 Whiting (41) at LaVille (3) Wheeler (45) at Bremen (30) Hammond Noll (61) at Lake Station (57) Andrean (7) at Winner Game 1 SECTIONAL 34 Winamac (43) at Lafayette Central Catholic (10) Rochester (11) at Seeger (24) Benton Central (48) at Delphi (40) Lewis Cass (13) at Winner Game 1 SECTIONAL 35 Prairie Heights (51) at Fort Wayne Luers (8) Churubusco (9) at Central Noble (39) Eastside (5) at Wabash (47) Manchester (46) at Whitko (60) SECTIONAL 36 Eastbrook (19) at Frankton (33) Elwood (59) at Alexandria (37) Bluffton (23) at Blackford (54) Tipton (27) at Eastern (Greentown) (22) SECTIONAL 37 Linton-Stockton (2) at South Vermillion (25) North Knox (31) at Southmont (16) Sullivan (12) at North Putnam (32) Greencastle (36) at Cascade (15) SECTIONAL 38 Indianapolis Ritter (44) at Shenandoah (21) Heritage Christian (14) at Northeastern (20) Winchester (52) at Lapel (26) Eastern Hancock (35) at Union County (50) SECTIONAL 39 Triton Central (1) at Christel House Manual (56) Brownstown Central (28) at Brown County (58) Switzerland County (55) at Indianapolis Scecina (4) Clarksville (38) at Eastern (Pekin) (49) SECTIONAL 40 Forest Park (42) at North Posey (17) Mitchell (53) at Paoli (29) Tell City (34) at Crawford County (62) Perry Central (18) at Evansville Mater Dei (6) 1A SECTIONAL 41 Bowman Academy (49) at South Central (Union Mills) (55) North Newton (54) at Culver (27) Triton (10) at Pioneer (29) North Judson (3) at South Newton (33) SECTIONAL 42 Clinton Central (56) at Traders Point Christian (24) North Vermillion (23) at Covington (42) Park Tudor (14) at Clinton Prairie (32) Fountain Central (30) at Attica (59) SECTIONAL 43 Frontier (43) at Taylor (51) West Central (21) at Caston (45) Tri-County (53) at Tri-Central (34) Carroll (Flora) (15) at North White (37) SECTIONAL 44 Fremont (39) at South Adams (16) Adams Central (2) at Southwood (12) North Miami (31) at Madison-Grant (13) Northfield (18) at Southern Wells (46) SECTIONAL 45 Union City (57) at Sheridan (8) Indiana Deaf (38) at Indianapolis Tindley (44) Wes-Del (47) at Hagerstown (36) Monroe Central (28) at Winner Game 1 SECTIONAL 46 Knightstown (58) at Edinburgh (40) South Decatur (48) at Milan (26) North Decatur (4) at Tri (11) Cambridge City Lincoln (60) at Winner Game 1 SECTIONAL 47 South Putnam (6) at Indianapolis Lutheran (1) Riverton Parke (19) at North Central (Farmersburg) (41) Covenant Christian (7) at Parke Heritage (50) Cloverdale (52) at Winner Game 1 SECTIONAL 48 South Spencer (20) at Tecumseh (5) Springs Valley (17) at Providence (9) West Washington (25) at Eastern Greene (35) North Daviess (22) at Winner Game 1

This is great.

It's actually, "Dirty, Rotten, Mother$%#$#&, Cheatin' Catholics. 😉 Or at least that is how I pronounced it walking out of Lawrence North.

It's been awhile, but since my AD is on vacation and won't chastise me for posting what I think here here is my thought. We should take our sectionals and play a round robin. Then seed the sectional from that data. The last games of the season would be against a natural rival who lives close by. I would love to see our Rockies take on the Glenn Falcons or the CMA Eagles. Both of those game make more sense than the current games against East Noble and Kokomo. Each school still gets that one opponent who they love to hate or just have someone who isn't too far away and save the kids a trip. But more importantly you get true seedings for the sectional. After that play the rest of the rest of the tournament on the home field of the team who plays the least number of away games as we currently do. Or if you want to use a computer ranking then let the sags determine the home team. Having coaches vote is not the answer. I agree with FootballKing16 in that the bias would creep in and not give a best case seeding. Let's be honest, the conference championships are a joke because in most cases the same teams win them every year. So drop conferences and play a round robin in each sectional to seed the tourney. How much fun would that be?

Irish can still make something if this season. Three legit squads left on the schedule (2.5 I guess with Syracuse). Can they get at least one of them?

LOL. I believe so. I ran out of salmon for the dogs.

BTW, Tango, if my aged brain recalls correctly weren’t we trying to gather at the nearby Skyline pregame that year but you had to cancel the planned dogsled trip up to these northern climes?

That O was pretty well suited to LOS turf too...

ND is never the place to give untested coaches their first stint as a head coach. combine that with poor coordinators and you get losses to Marshall and Stanford they didnt change anything from Ohio State second half meltdown and never changed anything after Marshall debacle. Still refuse to challenge a defense vertically and continue to play 100% nickel and dime on defense. I fully expect the same going forward

Off topic but I think Norwell is barely top 5 in 3A…(ducks head on way out).

But there are more Catholics at GS than Chatard.

I cosine this hypotenuse.

I vote we go with coin tosses....worked for Odessa Permian and Midland Lee.......

Week 10 Games Memorial at Bosse [+30.5] Boonville at Harrison [+12.5] Central at Reitz [-42.5] Vincennes at Gibson Southern [-14.5] Perry Central at Mater Dei [-24.5] Owen Valley at Mount Vernon [+7.5] Washington at Pike Central [+13.5] North Harrison at Southridge [-20.5] Forest Park at North Posey [-21.5] South Spencer at Tecumseh [+27.5] And yet you mail that cold hard cash every week. My accountant thanks you.

I’m getting this mental image of Russ Radtke and Kirk Kennedy back in the day, sitting down over a couple of beers and chatting about seeding their sectional. 🤣😂

Yep!

Standings after Week 9 LC_Bears_04 8 – 6 – 7 – 4 – 10 – 7 – 7 – 9 – 6 – 64 HereComesTheBoom 9 – 6 – 6 – 8 – 8 – 7 – 3 – 6 – 7 – 60 MDAlum82 7 – 7 – 7 – 4 – 6 – 8 – 4 – 9 – 8 – 60 Cappy 8 – 9 – 5 – 5 – 6 – 5 – 5 – 8 – 7 – 58 DumfriesYMCA 7 – 3 – 4 – 8 – 5 – 8 – 8 – 9 – 6 – 58 sr1 6 – 8 – 5 – 3 – 7 – 6 – 5 – 9 – 7 – 56 Titan 20 7 – 7 – 5 – 5 – 6 – 6 – 6 – 7 – 7 – 56 WCGrad92 8 – 5 – 5 – 8 – 6 – 8 – 3 – 7 – 5 – 55 gonzoron 9 – 8 – 6 – 4 – 6 – 7 – 3 – 8 – 4 – 55 Esso Ayche 7 – 7 – 8 – 5 – 7 – 5 – 7 – 7 – 0 – 53 CJJL 4 – 0 – 6 – 6 – 7 – 6 – 5 – 7 – 7 – 48 Titan32 7 – 6 – 4 – 5 – 6 – 0 – 4 – 8 – 5 – 45 SEAL_63 6 – 6 – 8 – 4 – 5 – 4 – 3 – 7 – 0 – 43 PCFan1996 0 – 0 – 4 – 5 – 8 – 5 – 6 – 7 – 7 – 42 combthehair 0 – 0 – 5 – 5 – 6 – 7 – 0 – 8 – 6 – 37

Looked like pretty much of a clean whiff to me.

A lot of talk about Sagarin to solve a complex problem. Could someone please explain to me why a computer ranking system would be used over a committee of coaches when determining seeding and/or qualifiers?

I’m don’t think whiteland will make noise they seem to basic

Team Stats through Week 9 Team PPG Reitz 35.1 PPG Castle 30.1 PPG Vincennes 28.2 PPG Jasper 27.1 PPG North 24.7 PPG Memorial 24.7 PPG Mater Dei 23.7 PPG Harrison 17.1 PPG Bosse 11.30 PPG Central 2.9 PPG Team Defensive PPG Allowed Reitz 12.40 PPG Mater Dei 12.6 PPG Memorial 15.3PPG North 17.2 PPG Jasper 19.7 Castle 19.9 PPG Vincennes 21.7 PPG Harrison 28.3 PPG Central 38.2 PPG Bosse 39.6 PPG Team Offensive YPG Reitz 400.8 YPG Memorial 310.2 YPG Jasper 309.2 YPG Vincennes 308.7 YPG North 303.0 YPG Castle 294.7 YPG Mater Dei 294.8 YPG Bosse 221.9 YPG Harrison 181.7 YPG* (No Week 8 Stats) Central 131.0 YPG* (No Week 7 or Week 9 Stats) Team Passing Defense(allowed) Reitz 71.2 YPG (641 yards) Mater Dei 99.1 YPG (793 yards)*(No Week 8 Harrison O stats) Castle 103.2 YPG (929 yards) Memorial 106.4 YPG (958 yards) Harrison 107.9 YPG (863 yards)*(No Week 7 Central O stats) Bosse 119.7 YPG (1077 yards) Jasper 141 YPG (1269 yards) North 154.40 YPG (1235 yards)* (No Week 9 Central O stats) Vincennes 166.3 YPG (1497 yards) Central 166.8 YPG (1501 yards) Team Rushing Defense (allowed) North 88.50 YPG (708 yards)* (No Week 9 Central stats) Jasper 93.40 YPG (841 yards) Reitz 122.3 YPG (1101 yards) Mater Dei 130.5 YPG (821 yards)*(No Week 8 Harrison stats) Memorial 140.9 YPG (1268 yards) Vincennes 147.7 YPG (1339 yards) Castle 187.90 YPG (1691 yards) Harrison 197.8 YPG (1582 yards)* (No Week 7 Central stats) Central 210.6 YPG (1895 yards) Bosse 235.7 YPG (2121 yards)

Bobref is always beating the drum for playoff qualifications, but in the same breath speaks about the lack of officials. With a tourney cut in half (potentially), you would have a REAL officiating problem. Folks who are not getting tourneys will continue to quit.

Not if you include strength of schedule components into the formula.

Covenant would be the home team in an RP/Covenant round two matchup.

Holup. Is this Cody P's alter ego?

Can’t wait for the state trip!!! And merrillville just became the most underranked 5A team. Smart coaching doing what they did. They look weak when really they aren’t.

It stays a tie for the crown. Preseason predictions really turned out to be true. Valley certainly missed Wade Jones on Friday with his hernia injury. All the credit to the Knights for their big plays. Jones was on the sidelines of the Purdue game Saturday night. Preseason predictions held mostly true. Probably biggest surprise for me was the improvement of North Miami. Now on to the postseason. Let's see if the conference can advance more than 3 or 4 out of the first round. 2 intraconference matchups so at least 2 will advance.

This is interesting, never gave it a thought, but it makes perfect sense. Lithium batteries and saltwater don’t mix well. I’m sure it’ll be fine in freshwater for all the idiots around here that drive thru floodwaters and have to be rescued. https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/transport/tesla-fires-after-hurricane-raises-alarm-for-florida-officials

It's going to fail by at least a 70-30 margin. No way it's going to go. Even a lot of people in the northern part of the MSD district are ardently opposed. There's a few people running for board seats on an "anti-merger" platform.