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It's fun to watch DT on here talking about football "scheme" when he has no clue what he is talking about. A) "The drive blocking and pass protection skills of big linemen are mitigated in these schemes. Lots of standing around and then their involvement in the action is very limited." - DT RPO scheme is a pass option + a real running play. Usually with a read by the QB of a single defender to give him an answer of what to do with the ball. Your comment about big lineman standing around is ridiculous and proof you don't know what you are looking at. The run play can be a gap scheme, zone scheme, counter of some sort, or even a draw. Either way these are a teams regular run plays and most teams run them the same way whether there is a throw option tagged to it or not. So if I'm running inside zone with a bubble concept and reading the Apex defender, my OLine better be blocking inside zone and getting off the ball driving their fight like its a run play only. (I realize I'm probably over your head DT, but this is the most basic RPO teams run). B) You obviously aren't as in touch with high school football in Indiana as you think. Yes, as a whole the state may be having more D1 lineman than the past, but that doesn't mean they are everywhere. An RPO is a way to PROTECT your run game whether you have good lineman or not. If there is the threat of an option of a receiver open in space, you can take a run defender out of the run fit defensively with that threat alone. Example - defense aggressive backside LB that is stopping the cutback on our bread and butter Inside Zone run. You could add a hitch in behind that LB with a TE or Slot, QB reads the LB. If LB flys towards the run, throw the easy hitch where he was. This protects your run game later. Or that is the goal anyway. C) This is traditional option football (not far off from Bart Curtis triple option), just with a different look. QB puts the ball in the belly of RB and reads a defender. Based on defender he will have the OPTION to 1) give the ball to the RB 2) keep it and run 3) throw (like a pitch in triple option) to a receiver..... sound familiar? D) Most High School QBs in general can't handle reading a whole defense on the fly. Why not make it easier on your QB by giving him a simple read and react situation? Hence why coaches like the RPO - can be easy to teach D) I could go on and on. I do understand you not liking this particular scheme, that's completely acceptable and logical. Just have a clue what you are talking about before you get on here (wishful thinking...)

Is this thread only anti-RPO but also anti spread, tempo, read option? Many offenses are a combination of old school counter and power blocking schemes with a more modern mix of formations. I don't think 11 men in a phone both is necessary harder to defend than getting formationed to death...or any more entertaining.

RPO's aren't a new concept. I've seen them in playbooks as far back as the 70's. Heck, even Bud Wright utilized an RPO 2 years ago against us in the sectional. Why would you not take advantage of an effective scheme? Your lack of football knowledge is very evident. The Bart Curtis and Russ Radtke's of the world still co-exist peacefully among the new wave coaching concepts, and the sky is not falling.

As I learned a long time ago, early 60's, if you don't have offensive lineman in any type of offense you are not going to be successful. In any game you watch in person or tv watch the offensive linemen. They either block at the point of attack, pass block, or are down field. Bill Siderewicz, Chris Geesman, Dale Hummer, and Joe Burvan (HOF coaching staff at Rensselaer when I played) made it known as the offensive line goes so goes our team. During that time we saw the robust T, Pro I, double wing, and wing T. Even today's RPO system has to have OL to win at a high level. When I watched state finals and bowl games last year it was the teams with offensive lineman that won. Enough said.

Says the guy who reacts by unpinning a topic the OWNER posted and pinned. DK is not a moderator; his time, effort and financial commitment to this site earns him the right to pin whatever topic he sees fit.

Huh? The TE position has been revolutionized the last 10 years. What are you talking about. You ever think the lean, 6-7, 295 pound is needed to combat the 250 lb DE coming off the edge that can run a 4.5? The size and speed of football players has dramatically increased over the last 30-40 years.

I did. Read a lot of complaining. Name of the game is to win, not get offensive lineman to the next level.

I don't get the angst towards RPO? Now I don't advocate running it for the sake just to do it, but if you have a QB who is good/smart enough to make the reads and it utilizes your athletes in space that gives you a distinct advantage over your opponent, why the hell not run it? The end goal is to put your best team in a position to win. Whether that's RPO, Air Raid, Wishbone, Triple Option, who cares?

A little over the top

I personally love watching spread offenses. WW runs exclusively from shotgun and still had a 2000 yard rusher 2 years ago. Last year was more balanced but still run 1st. WW ran a wishbone when I was in HS. I prefer the spread. If you prefer the other then I dont think it's wrong. Just enjoy the game. I dont think this is an RPO hate thread as it is a passing game hate thread. I enjoy balanced. Just as some dont wanna watch 70 passes I dont wanna watch 70 runs. But also as stated in original post indiana has a ton of guys ready for D1 in the OL....but maybe that's because they are quicker, leaner more spread oriented guys. Would the ratings be as high if looking for 330 pound road graders?

Don't like it, you can leave. We have had plenty of conversations about pinning topics. Not getting into that whole discussion again. Want to pin your own opinions, do it in your own club. Pinning an opinion implies that it is the opinion of the administrators and moderators on the GID. While many may hold a similar opinion, it is not an official stance.

Ironic that you're using a quote from Thomas Jefferson as the basis for your supposed stance as being against sexual abuse.

Have you seen a college or NFL game in the last....oh I don't know 20 years?

If officials would flag these RPO offenses for illegal men down field, it would force teams to run more conventional offenses.

Over the last two years.. Indiana has thrown it 14 more times per game than Wisconsin has and has completed about 2.5% more passes than UW.

DT, you have every right to dislike the RPOs in the game now. Certainly a lot of teams use them because they are trendy and provide flexibility. But many use them to put defenders in conflict in order to get their best people the ball. What I was mostly getting at was that I think you are broadly talking about football in terms that may be too general for your point to be accurate, if that makes sense. For example, talking about positions changing and linemen changing role, etc. NFL and College are in reality quite different from the majority of high school football. As was mentioned, TE is still a huge position in all levels of football. Some teams use them more as an H Back, but that position has not left the game. The traditional I formation FB has definitely become less prevalent for sure. But I see what you mean, the game is different. Teams using RPOs in their system are simply trying to use the entire field and put certain defensive players in conflict, because that is as good as a block. When I was HC at my previous school, we ran spread with lots of RPOs and RROs. We had 3 run plays and tags on them to react to the defense. We had to do it, our OL wasn't dominating and we played in a great conference. We had some success there with that. At my current 1a school, we went to the wing to control the ball more but still use some RPOs to protect our main runs when we are in gun about 30% of the time. Just Rules --> Awesome insight there. From a coaching perspective, we are telling QBs that read is made and ball is out pretty quickly. If you hold the ball at all or double clutch after deciding on the throw option, its too late! I remember about 6 years ago we ran outside zone to the right with a slant on the backside. QB pulled the ball to throw, double clutched, then hit the WR in stride for an 80 yard TD.....everyone is cheering while I'm already coaching the QB to correct his mistake because I knew we'd have that called back for lineman down field before the ball even got to the goal line lol. It comes with the territory. ....sorry for the long football posts....stir crazy sitting at home haha

An investigation is still pending so no, all the details have not been released. Regardless that's neither here or there, 2 young man tragically lost their lives to senseless gun violence.

Isn't the end goal of a game is to score more points than your opponent??

I LOVE RPO!!!! RUN POWER OFTEN!!! Sign me up

Well, hard to say he blew up at OSU since he was the cornerstone of 3 consecutive IHSAA titles for the Irish. But, I get your drift. He has stepped up his game at every level. Truly a mentally tough beast. Forget about his 4.35 speed.

Nothing wrong with new schemes. Trick plays and catching the other side napping are part of what make the game fun.

Agreed. "Four yards and a cloud of dust" is still the best offensive scheme out there. It scores points and it controls the clock. This RPO crap is all about running plays "fast" because "we the people", and it trickles down to coaching staffs, now consider 140 points debacles as "good football".

After he sees Micheal Penix throw for 300 yards and 4 TDs against Wisconsin next season, he’ll be even more interested in Indiana. Jeff Brohms offense will be appealing to. Jack Coan is decent but Wisky will always be run dominant.

Best hire by Noblesville in the last 20 years and I think portage turns the program around starting this year. Great conversation starter DT, much better than the contraction conversations 😉

I agree!! To add to my previous thought we even had several schools in our area playing 8 man football. Of course this was before contraction, oops, consolidation!! Couldn't resist.

Western Boone vs. Tri West 2015 in regular season at Lucas Oil. Webo throws a touchdown pass with no time left to win 38-35.

If it culminates in a pro career for rankings, Scary Terry McLaurin is about to blow this list up. Jaylon vs.Terry for the Indiana Mr. Football fictional championship of the world IMHO.

It pains me to say, but I believe it was as well. My only issue was that the official who made the call was 10 yards up the field and not in good/proper position. Stones call though, that was literally the last play of the game. The play before Cathedral was in FG range and a very questionable intentional grounding call was made which lead to the Hail Mary attempt rather than a potential game-winning FG.

No we don't do the same thing. While I believe Mr. Trump is a bad president and an even worse person, my opinion of him doesn't descend to the mindless hatred and derision you and others with TDS have of the man whenever you see him, hear him speak, or read his tweets.

A reminder that Griffith STOMPED Andrean 48-14 in the regular season matchup. Up 42-7 Griffith went for two and later faked a punt, up 42-14. This was one of the greatest Region rivalries of the time. Following this reception and 2-point conversion, Andrean would go on to finish the season as 2004 3A State Champions, defeating Heritage Hills 21-14. Great article about it here: https://www.regionsports.com/2016/11/02/football-unbelievable-unforgettable-part-1/

If you want to throw it 6 times a game to below avg receivers it's a fantastic school for a QB.

Folks who are in that Texas region will tell you ... they take their football seriously down there. There's room for both 11-man and 6-man down there and it doesn't diminish the 11-man fervor.

What if IHSAA adopts 8 man??

As a Wisconsin Native and resident this makes me so freaking happy seeing a QB from my high school get this offer. Wisconsin is a great school for a QB. Guaranteed to have a good OL to protect you and a good RB to keep things balanced and the defense guessing. #OnWisconsin

You know full well he did. But, just to show others how childish you are being....here ya go.

Indiana extends dine-in ban for restaurants and bars: https://www.indystar.com/story/news/2020/03/31/indiana-extends-dine-ban-restaurants-and-bars-covid-19/5099472002/ And how many more restaurants, bars, and nightclubs will close their doors, never to reopen? How many more hard working Hoosiers will lose their jobs, and now have to depend on government "largess" to survive? Perhaps that is the end game after all..................

SIA shutdown, GE Aviation furloughs, Arconic layoffs follow slowing markets: https://www.jconline.com/story/news/2020/03/31/coronavirus-ge-aviation-furloughs-arconic-layoffs-follow-slowing-markets/5099695002/ The Lafayette area economy is dying. Of course all the government workers at Purdue are probably safe regardless of whether the campus is open or not.

L.A. Bureaucrats Shut Down Restaurants for Selling Groceries Without a Permit: https://reason.com/2020/03/31/los-angeles-bureaucrats-barbara-ferrer-shut-down-restaurants-for-selling-groceries-without-a-permit/ Entrepreneurs can't be "clever", even in the face of a pandemic. They must conform to the state's will, or be destroyed. As one of the spot-on comments to this story states:

Reposting here the End the Coronavirus Shutdown story, because an over-controlling GID adminstrator did not like me pinning such an important subject into it's own thread so he hid/deleted it. For some reason pinning such a story automatically means that the GID administrators and owners support and agree with it. 🙄 https://mises.org/wire/end-shutdown

*shaking in fear*

The Private Sector Heroes Leading the Fight Against COVID-19: https://reason.com/2020/04/01/the-private-sector-heroes-leading-the-fight-against-covid-19/

Health Insurance Premiums Could Rise by Over 40% Due to Coronavirus, Study Warns: https://www.fool.com/investing/2020/03/26/health-insurance-premiums-could-rise-by-over-40-du.aspx Even more reason to end this economic shutdown, so people can get back to work and consumers can start consuming again.

And the U.S. economy will effectively be destroyed. Sorry, you can't convince me this is worth it .

What is also infuriating is that this bill, if I am not mistaken the largest "stimulus" bill ever passed by the U.S. Congress, was passed with a voice vote. Hell, half of the lawmakers in that room probably hadn't even read the entire bill. Thomas Massie was right, a bill of this magnitude needed to be passed by a recorded vote. We live in an era where for an emergency situation like this those lawmakers who didn't want to get on a plane for fear of the coronavirus could have used, Skype, Zoom, MS Teams, etc. There are a myriad of technological tools out there where these lawmakers votes could have actually been recorded. But no, we are the U.S. Congress and in time of crisis expediency is all that matters. Bullshit. In times of crisis it is doubly important that bills like this are read, considered, debated, and understood. Because the consequences of their hurried passage can be felt well beyond the immediate crisis; sometimes for decades after. Just look at the bill that were passed following 9/11 and the 2008 banking crisis. No, this "stimulus" bill will be paid for by our children and grandchildren. We have effectively hamstrung their futures for our short term safety and a few bucks in the form of a check from Uncle Sam. I don't plan on cashing mine. Instead I'll frame it and pass it on to one of my grandchildren. They will need more than I do, assuming they can still cash it.

Beware a Government of Fear: https://mises.org/power-market/beware-government-fear

https://mises.org/wire/federal-government-owns-92-percent-student-loans-why-do-politicians-lie-about-it This is a bad bill, and as the author states it's just a revenue making shell-game to completely nationalize all of higher education. I heartily encourage all of you to contact your duly-elected representatives and express your displeasure with this bill, and urge your representative to replace it with a bill that would cancel all federal-backed student loans and shut down the the federal loan program entirely.