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I’m not certain how this became the inevitable P&P “love” thread that shows up this time of year but since Cathedral and Roncalli are gone it seems that Chatard has become the foci (yeah, it’s a word) of all these good vibes. First, I was as disappointed as anyone when Chatard was moved back down…and I still believe (despite explanations otherwise) the IHSAA was so eager to push Cathedral up to 6A that they moved the timeline up a year and bumped Cathedral prematurely and somehow after all of the fallout….Chatard ends up back in 3A. Also, despite everyone’s declarations that this was a down year for Chatard, I was hoping for another game against Roncalli….the first one, frankly, could have gone either way. Yeah, Chatard got mauled by Christian Brothers and Cathedral but against really great teams that can, sadly, happen sometimes. Chatard played a solid Cincy Elder team (at Elder) within 5 with the only really “bad” game all year being the first Guerin win (in my opinion). Add that Chatard has been fairly hobbled at key positions at often key times this year. In other words, they are, in my opinion, a Helluva lot better team than given credit for this year and only now (for some reason) being given the credit due both on the analytics and general opinion in the state. As to just “why” Chatard keeps showing up in 3A, I believe you can thank the IHSAA on multiple levels. Primarily though, for the same type of “smart” (read “smart-a$$”) mentality that created Sectional 28 a few years ago. Lump all the P&P’s together in Sectional and eliminate most all of them early in the playoffs. It’s all good for a chuckle when every SINGLE 3A P&P South of Mishawaka is gerrymandered into the same Sectional with West Lafayette (an unofficial P&P) because it eliminates one or all of them by Regional. What a great laugh everyone gets from that. No matter that the Sectional features what are consistently 4 of the top 8 (often 3 of the top 5) 3A teams each year. That “smart” solution doesn’t work so well in Sectionals with bumped up teams. When the ABSOLUTELY inevitable Chatard/Roncalli sectional pairing takes place if Chatard doesn’t win it every year (despite even in a “bad” year Chatard likely still being a top 5 4A team) they have to go back to 3A. As it has turned out, every time Chatard goes up they catch Roncalli on an up year and lose and/or split the series. Change that up and Chatard will never go back to 3A. Keep making that short-sighted, self-satisfying Chatard/Roncalli pairing in Sectional and Chatard will always inevitably go back to 3A because of the nature of them splitting victories in their games. Some here are now complaining about Chatard being “back down” in 3A stomping on the poor unfortunates. Wait, what? Weren’t a LOT of these 3A fans beating their chests just a handful of years ago about 3A being better than 4A (which I would argue that it was at the very top of 3A…I don’t think anybody in 4A touches Chatard in 2019). Well, which are you? Victims or victors? This year it looks like the “victim” card has turned up. Also keep in mind 4A has changed again with its great teams that dominated 5A for so many years now back down in 4A and beating up each other enough that it’s hard for them to get back to 5A - like Cathedral, Columbus East and New Palestine did. Only Cathedral “stuck”. Surprisingly, Roncalli has never made the bump up. And White Shoes, please don’t be intentionally obtuse and please stop playing the victim unless you really like playing a rube….nobody is buying it. Stop taking Rodney (who I consider the new Coach Junction Boy here and appreciate his genius) seriously and at face value or the next time you will find yourself arguing with him about whether phrenology is the best way to select an offensive coordinator or the optimal ratio of water to ice in on-field refreshment. IO’s comments are an accepted “advantage” of P&P’s and oft cited by Publics as an advantage. I’d suggest someone start a separate “I Love P&Ps” thread and let people talk about the game if they want. I think it’s offensive to Lawrenceburg to make this a Chatard thread rather than give Lawrenceburg (my old HS conference rival along with EC) their due. Just my opinion.

This is a complete oversimplification of the situation and you know it. Can we at least agree if parents are shelling out hard earned cash to send their children to school, over and above what the government fleeces out of them for their government schools, that those parents are going to have expectations that perhaps their public school counterparts don’t have? I have been around a while I don’t believe ANYONE has ever seriously suggested that P/P kids or coaches “work harder”. I had a coach one time tell me, if you look at the parents you can usually tell what the kid will be. Typically if the parents are successful odds are their kids will have expectations placed upon them, they have a work ethic, all the intangibles you look for as a coach. Obviously there are exceptions to every rule, but as I’ve gone thru life, there’s some merit to what the coach told me. And I’m certainly not saying P/P’s have the market cornered on kids of this type, but their business model kind of lends itself to it. P/P’s typically punch above their weight. Obviously there are many other factors involved.

potential transfer coming in from Ohio state, but I'm not suppose to be talking about that yet

Stinky, Stink, Stink 1.2..3.... The Tigers are going to Lucas and you can bet, so is STC! Tiger BL's & Lattes all weekend made it hard to see I guess we're playing the Catholics from Chatard in Indy! The mighty Trojans some say they cant be beat STC will get all those Altar boys drunk, then they'll go down in defeat STC may need to go repent, but that's going to be awhile cause I haven't been sober and wont till after this event. Public Schools Forever - Catholic Schools Never!!!

I will attempt to reign in my language if you don’t call me bro,bruh, or my guy in the future! Dude would be acceptable because I like abide man.

What’s the part of what @Impartial_Observersaid with which you disagree? I thought what he said was not only accurate, it wasn’t particularly controversial. Nature plays a big role, but so does nurture. Social scientists have accepted this for over a century.

I’ll call it what I want and I’ll say it right to your face

Sit back and enjoy what we have. Nothing much better in sport, than high school playoff football!

Elephant in the room perhaps… Another November without a championship. Put me on record saying that BD or WC will win 6A again (mainly because they’re both going to be very talented next year) before the HCC wins 6A.

That was a given for LCC. Those were the years when the program was strongest and it was somewhat tied to a perfect storm between classes, numbers, and coach. Unfortunately when GID crashed, it took the older archive discussions away, but you can see in the years right before SF came onto the scene that @LCCAlumand I were talking specifically about LCC's 2A dominance predictions being quite premature and tied very heavily to classes and that those first two 2A seasons back in 2013/2014 might have likely been LCC's best chances to pick up big success in 2A as the classes were decreasing. Mind you, it's not all doom and gloom and LCC's in a pretty competitive position, but those 4-peat years were something special and, while most folks tend to overlook it, it took LCC around a half century of so to get to that point, so it wasn't something inherent in the make-up.

Vanderbilt rushes the field like they expect to win. 🤣

If you are on twitter, this dude, Three Year Letterman takes trolling to an entirely new level; and it is comedy gold.

Too many other factors on Friday night to draw any conclusions.

Get better.

Do adults have loyalty? At any level? They need to be held accountable too.

A. Your post implies that sectionals have not been gerrymandered in the past. B. The success factor is flawed. Adding a second flaw would not improve the situation.

I echo @Lysander’s comments. I have some thoughts I would like to add, but that is unfair to Lawrenceburg and Coach Knigga, as well as BC and Coach Doyle, who have earned the right for this matchup to occur. That said, this game is the one I am most curious to see. 6A is just a foreign concept to us south of I-64, and I have followed much of the 2A, 4A, and 5A tournament as a fan of SIAC football. Not many of the 3A south ‘big games’ have been streamed, so this Saturday will be the first time I will get to see what 3A has to offer this year.

thanks, but just for clarification I do not believe in ice water.

At some point, the question may become can they afford not to?

The neat thing about Bishop Chatard football is they post their roster with the elementary school each player attended. I think maybe 2 on the entire roster didn't attend a Catholic elementary school. Apparently the cheating starts with getting to them before they start Kindergarten 😂🤣 https://bishopchatardathletics.org/wp-content/uploads/Football-Roster.pdf

North loses 6 seniors. Qb, running backs, wr, te, 1 o line. All back ups got real game play due to mery rule over half the season

He doesn't have any threads. Only the far out ones he's wearing bro.

Sure that’s exactly what I said. Is it the reading or the comprehension? I’m surprised recruiting hasn’t come up yet.

So if the family is of the proper social status, then the kids will work harder on overall development. Wow, only in Indiana.

It's one thing to have passion, but it's another to completely dismiss your competition all season long. I'd probably hide too.

The ICC is the best small school conference in the state. I was going to say that the Hoosier and Hoosier North can make an argument, but after researching those conferences, they really can't.

Was Jalen Alexander one of those injured Royals? He had rushed for well over 200 yards against both Westfield and Fishers in the tournament. He only ran it 7 for 19 total yards in this game. If so, that made a huge difference. Congrats to Carroll. Although I was hoping for a third straight 6A title game for an HCC school, from the stats, it looked like Carroll's defense won that game. They will have their hands full with a Center Grove team that easily dispatched of Cathedral. Most of their players have been there, done that at LOS. This will be new for the Carroll players. Oh, and there will be that long bus ride :)

one moderately good season and everyone ready to claim that the HCC has overtaken the MIC, and will be the dominate conference moving forward might be partially true with the departure of Carmel and CG but I do not believe the HCC will EVER have the dominance that the MIC has had over the last twenty years. if only HSE didn't have bus lag

24-21 Carroll

Crying? Lmao GS got beat, I moved on to wrestling the next week. Get a hold of yourself. Chatard most very likely doesn't even want to be in 3A. I almost guarantee they have a very strong desire to put a 4A trophy on the shelf next to all their 3A hardware. What TF do they have to prove beating the sh*t out of all us rednecks down here in Kentucky?

Yea, I don’t even know what most of that shit means, the bottom line is, you’re turning your shit in on Monday, and Center Grove is responsible.

Lol, didn't learn anything last night?

his whole post reads as "I SCREAM MY OWN NAME DURING COITUS"

and tonight we lost to a very good Lawrenceburg team, Good Luck to them in the Finals.

i have a different opinion about the BEST. And some years that could back me up!

The best way to know someone doesn't know anything about officiating is to be critical of the best crew in the state hands down.

Didn't help that the crew refused to change FB's did it? I had a nice "discussion" with a few of them earlier this year....It didn't go well 🤫

This topic continuing after a month may be the greatest Cinderella story of them all.

Average. AC rarely has super talented kickers aside from Sprunger before my time & his daughters have both kicked for us. His youngest splits tries with T. Currie.

I still see him in my sleep sometimes … disappearing over the horizon.

LOL. Those are Olympic level times my man.

He didn't say the officials were going to state. He said Carroll defeats the officials. Nice try. Being critical of a call or calls by disagreeing with them is fine. Fans are biased and will see things how they want to see things. The officials are going to call things as they see them. Maybe they had a bad angle or were out of position or made a decision too quickly. Or maybe they were actually right. Accusing them of intentionally make calls against a team (which is what this quote did) is accusing them of cheating. Maybe he meant this: Carroll defeats HSE overcoming some unfortunate calls that went against them in the same game to go to state But he didn't. Words matter. He's had plenty of chances to clarify but instead used a movie reference to support his argument. BTW...this crew is working a state final this week.

"if you look at the parents you can usually tell what the kid will be". I'm just not comfortable with that statement. Anyway, this is headed down a rabbit hole I don't want to go down. This is a high school football website not a facebook or a social media platform. I think Chatard is exploiting weaknesses in the rules, but until changes are made it will be what it is.