Muda69 Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 Three p/p schools, whose total constituency make up probably around 10% of the football playing schools in the IHSAA, have just taken home 50% of the available state championship trophies. The p/p hegemony continues unabated, with the "success factor" doing little more than rearranging the deck chairs. This will continue as long as the IHSAA stubbornly sticks to a primarily enrollment based classification system, and not a system that truly measures the historical success, or lack thereof, of Indiana high school football programs. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 29 minutes ago, Muda69 said: Three p/p schools, whose total constituency make up probably around 10% of the football playing schools in the IHSAA, have just taken home 50% of the available state championship trophies. The p/p hegemony continues unabated, with the "success factor" doing little more than rearranging the deck chairs. This will continue as long as the IHSAA stubbornly sticks to a primarily enrollment based classification system, and not a system that truly measures the historical success, or lack thereof, of Indiana high school football programs. Please provide an exact percentage of p/p membership in the IHSAA broken down by class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobref Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 44 minutes ago, Muda69 said: The p/p hegemony continues unabated You say that like it’s a bad thing. 2 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JQWL Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 https://lckingscourier.net/25028/student-life/is-it-time-for-private-schools-to-have-their-own-separate-class-2/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donnie Baker Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 I figured something was coming but glad it wasn’t in game threads. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitehat Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 If the Papists can win 3A in Chatard’s absence, and Chatard takes 4A, we’re one step closer to the p/p sweep. I fully support this. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuccaguy Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Whitehat said: If the Papists can win 3A in Chatard’s absence, and Chatard takes 4A, we’re one step closer to the p/p sweep. I fully support this. What 6A takes things..Hell 5A also? Edited November 25, 2023 by Yuccaguy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitehat Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 1 minute ago, Yuccaguy said: What 6A takes things..Hell 5A also?] I said one step closer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuccaguy Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 Just now, Whitehat said: I said one step closer Means absolutely nothing other than. Blowviating Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitehat Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 Just now, Yuccaguy said: Means absolutely nothing other than. Blowviating It means exactly what the words said actually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuccaguy Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 LCC. And a few more Southerners are right there. As well as a number of Northerners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BendNotBreak Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 6 hours ago, Whitehat said: If the Papists can win 3A in Chatard’s absence, and Chatard takes 4A, we’re one step closer to the p/p sweep. I fully support this. Spoken like a true Protestor... 😉 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzoron Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 The most exciting round of the entire tourney was the Regional. This weekend was terrible. I couldn't watch one complete game. So boring. Semi-States weren't much better, there were two decent games there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
temptation Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 BD vs Brownsburg/Cathedral/CG was the 6A title game. Snider vs Mishawaka was the 5A title game. East Central vs NorthWood was the 4A title game. Chatard vs Guerin Catholic was the 3A title game. Luers vs Eastside/Bluffton/LCC was the 2A title game. Lutheran vs Adams Central was the 1A title game. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiting89 Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 (edited) The three states I’ve resided in have the same issue see illinois below Nevada was sick of bishop Gorman killing everyone so they made 3 division 5s well that added another catholic champ https://nevadasportsnet.com/newsletter-daily/results-from-the-5a-iii-5a-ii-4a-and-1a-nevada-high-school-football-state-title-games side note that my Carmel almost beat Gibson southern and got destroyed by this Byron school, imagine how good they are Edited November 26, 2023 by Whiting89 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTF Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 I'll gain some friends from Decatur Central and lose some from Mishawaka. I'm not so sure the Cavemen could beat DC or Merrillville. All bets are off with that offense though. The Cavemen's run game would get stuffed by either of those teams. Their only chance would be large chunk pass plays down the middle of the field like they did against Snider. And although Mishawaka has a VERY good defense, I think DC and Merrillville's are a little better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestfieldRocks Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 1 hour ago, temptation said: BD vs Brownsburg/Cathedral/CG was the 6A title game. Snider vs Mishawaka was the 5A title game. East Central vs NorthWood was the 4A title game. Chatard vs Guerin Catholic was the 3A title game. Luers vs Eastside/Bluffton/LCC was the 2A title game. Lutheran vs Adams Central was the 1A title game. You're probably correct with this group. This seems to happen most years, where there are a bunch of great early round games involving the eventual class champions, then at the state finals, a bunch of duds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimeqb Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 32 minutes ago, Whiting89 said: side note that my Carmel almost beat Gibson southern and got destroyed by this Byron school, imagine how good they are I had been following the ‘local’ teams in SW Indiana that were playing in state finals - HH, NP, and Mt Carmel. I saw MtC was losing but didn’t see the final score. Byron - enrollment 449 had 54 players (only 4 freshmen) on their roster. impressive. I like the seeding in Illinois, but give me Thanksgiving weekend at Lucas Oil over Peoria, Dekalb, or Champaign any day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roaringthunderdlr Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 On 11/25/2023 at 2:51 PM, Trojan said: Please provide an exact percentage of p/p membership in the IHSAA broken down by class. 6A: 3.1% (Cathedral) 5A: 0% 4A: 9.4% (Memorial, Brebeuf, Roncalli, Culver Academy, Dwenger, SB St. Joe's) 3A: 6.3% (Guerin, Chatard, Mish. Marian, FW Concordia) 2A: 12.9% (Hammond Noll, Andrean, LCC, Luers, Mater Dei, Indy Scecina, Heritage Christian, Ritter) 1A: 6.9% (Park Tudor, Providence, Covenant, Lutheran) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JQWL Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 6A-12.5% of sectionals were won by privates. 0% of regionals, semi-states, state were won by privates. 4A-12.5% of sectionals were won by privates. 0% of regionals, semi-states, state were won by privates. 3A-12.5% of sectionals were won by privates. 25% of regionals were won by privates, 50% of semi-states were won by privates, 100% of state championships were won by privates. 2A-25% of sectionals were won by privates. 50% of regionals were won by privates, 50% of semi-states were won by privates, 100% of state championships were won by privates. 1A-37.5% of sectionals were won by privates, 25% of regionals were won by privates, 50% of semi-states were won by privates 100% of state championships were won by privates. State wide: 12.5% of all sectionals won by privates, 16.7% of all regionals won by privates, 33.3% of all semi-states won by privates,, 50% of all state championships won by privates. Private Schools make up 7% of all football schools. These numbers would probably be a little higher if the officials in the North Posey/Mater Dei sectional semi-final could count to 12 on the final play. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gipper Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Are we still on this? I live close to Illinois and I don't public schools such as Maine East whining about schools such as Mount Carmel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scarab527 Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 4 minutes ago, Gipper said: Are we still on this? I live close to Illinois and I don't public schools such as Maine East whining about schools such as Mount Carmel. Well, the Chicago Sun Times did run this article on Sunday after their games… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimeqb Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 22 minutes ago, JQWL said: 6A-12.5% of sectionals were won by privates. 0% of regionals, semi-states, state were won by privates. 4A-12.5% of sectionals were won by privates. 0% of regionals, semi-states, state were won by privates. And those were both schools playing up already due to SF. Starting next year, the Indy Diocese is going to consider Mooresville a Parochial school as well. That's the only way beating Roncalli and Brebeuf in back to back weeks can be explained. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastpacedO Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 26 minutes ago, oldtimeqb said: And those were both schools playing up already due to SF. Starting next year, the Indy Diocese is going to consider Mooresville a Parochial school as well. That's the only way beating Roncalli and Brebeuf in back to back weeks can be explained. I am all out of emoji's for this one The name change of the school is currently being debated! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloudofdust Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 (edited) It's obvious they fare better at the 1A-3A level because they can control their enrollment. The quality of student/athlete is just different. The solution is to move them all up a class. No P/P should ever be competing at a 1A level and it's been proven through SF that they can compete at higher levels. The problem is, the powers that be don't care because the big schools don't care. They have the enrollment numbers and funds to overcome. Edited November 27, 2023 by cloudofdust 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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