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It was 12 years ago today that the GID suffered a devastating blow from which many thought it would never recover. The founder and guiding spirit of the forum, Tim Adams, passed away suddenly. Tim was a long time coach, and a tireless promoter of Indiana high school football. I consider myself very fortunate to have gotten to know him and call him a good friend. I know many of the people on the forum now joined after Tim passed, and they know him only by the occasional references on here. Perhaps others who knew him might share some of their recollections of this very good man.

This kid is this generation’s Jack Armstrong. For those of you young folks, look that up. An outstanding young man from little Pioneer High School, with his best football ahead of him and a degree from the prestigious Mendoza School of Business already in his pocket. What a great story. A true Notre Dame Man. https://mobile.twitter.com/AE_Kiser/status/1526399998287659009/photo/1

https://www.ihsaa.org/Portals/0/ihsaa/documents/news media/2021-22/062322.BasketballFormat.pdf The Committee approved modified restrictions on Indiana schools competing against schools from beyond the 300-mile travel limit. IHSAA schools will now be able to participate against out-of-state schools from beyond the 300-mile limit as long as they are in good standing with their state association, the venue is within the 300 mile limit, is and is sanctioned by the NFHS and IHSAA. Also, Indiana schools may now host out-of-state schools in Indiana from beyond the 300-mile limit as long as they are a member in good standing with their own state association and the event is sanctioned by the NFHS and IHSAA.

Our crew made a rare trip to central Indiana during the regular season one year to work Fishers @ Avon. Dave Shelbourne, formerly at Highland, was coaching Avon and Rick Wimmer, formerly of Merrillville, was coaching Fishers. When TA found out we were coming, he got all excited and promised to come over and see us. We had a great time chatting before the game. This picture of the coin toss be fore the game was taken by TA himself.

30 December 2004

Little known fact TA had a soft spot for Softball players, my daughter was just starting her career when she met TA. Whenever I talked to him after he met her he always asked me how she was doing and how her career was going. I often thought of the big guy watching her play throughout her career. TA had a heart of gold and he did what he did for all the right reasons. Geez what was Jimmie in this pic, about 12?

I think it Linton's case....we were climbing the mountain in 1A... getting so close in semi state losses, and of course there was never a shortage of Linton fans ready and willing to shout the Miners glory into any topic anytime! It was a heady time in Greene County, and while I defend that most Linton football fans are level-headed and not the outrageous few that got a lot of attention. Unfortunately we've lost a couple of them in recent years to health failure. I think the robust Miner folks pulled other locals into the fray as the rivalries both historically then as teams started meeting seemingly every year in Sectional title games, regionals etc. Yearly there where spirited back n forths with the faithful from North Daviess, North Knox, North Central, Sullivan (altho not 1A)... then of course West Washington, and the battles with Perry Central...through Rockville, North Vermillion, Fountain Central.. then naturally the Scecina, and Ritter heartbreaks... and....well definitely the LCC banter... to the eventual win over Pioneer in 2016 was the pinnacle. I think the combination of a big talented graduation class and a bump up to 2A and into sectional with state champ Southridge and perennial power Mater Dei contributed to the slow face of boisterous Miner Faithful, altho there were still plenty of us representing. A lot of the guys I knew on the GID from Linton, and the area kinda came on as their kid or grandkid was coming up through the grades. A lot of Dads/Gramps/Uncles/older brothers are involved in youth league and junior high programs and of course as Linton was rolling in the late 90's and 2000's winning multiple sectionals.. word of GID talk spread and guys couldn't resist making comments here n there. As those kids graduated, parents sort of did as well, as this many of the GID Linton folks. I think Linton's 2017 team that lost to 9-3 Ritter, to 14-1 state runner up Eastern Greene (and a game I'd of loved a rematch)... and twice to eventual 2A champ Southridge (17-16, and 20-0 in rematch that was 0-0 at half).... I think that team would have relished a rematch with EG and made a run at seeing Pioneer again. 2018 saw Linton in a losing season for the 1st time sine 1996! and I was amazed at the amount of negativism that just came from all over. At 5-6 you'd of thought the world ended...which was crazy considering the youth of that team.. and starting 0-3. And sounding like the LInton guy I am.... I think each of the 2019, 2020, and certainly last years team could have made solid runs in 1A from the South. I realize we are 2A and likely will stay there... we are only 2A by 8 students. So we are a low end 2A school any way you look at it. The kids have responded well, we just have not gotten over the Mater Dei hump.. .much like we couldn't get over the Ritter and Scecina hump in 1A semi-state.... or the Perry Central stage in 1A Sect 40. This past year was a tough one to swallow and that class was so much like the state winning 2016 class... and we lose so many to graduation... but a great group coming back albeit big shoes to fill. I think a lot of the Miner folks that use to frequent GID have just faded away as they have from actual involvement in the program. I also think there was an active move to try and get less 'talk' on a forum that could be used as motivation for opponents! Since the move to 2A we've not been able to hoist a sectional trophy..as opposed to winning 9 out of the last 10 years in 1A. Honestly it's disappointed to see how people dropped off. But it's also been sad to watch the fall out just in attendance at the actual games at the ROy.... more and more people staying home to watch streams or going to the local watering hole and watching from bars and clubs instead of being there in the flesh where these kids need the see the support. I've always sad... on the air... that Linton fans can be spoiled into just expecting to win and win big. It isn't always going to be the case, but we've been lucky and blessed to have had some terrific teams in our small town.. .such as last year... and they deserve the kind of turn out at home and away that those teams in the 80's 90's and early 2000's did. yeah.. I miss you 1A .

The game has to be played in Indiana; but at least it can be played.

The Cass Kings were never happier than the day that kid graduated from Pioneer! 4 years against him was 4 too many. This young man was impossible not to like. An absolute unit on the field, and yes sir yes ma'am off the field. So cool to see the success he is having, and so very very thankful there are no more Kisers coming up!!

https://deadspin.com/ohio-state-trademarks-the-1849095133 Ughh. Another reason to dislike our neighbors to the East.

Not sure if Gorman is in good standing with the Nevada High School Commission, not sure how you could be when you have players from multiple states attending a parochial school, but the only way it could happen (as I read it) is if Gorman flew all the way to Carmel or the two schools agreed to meet on a neutral field 300 miles from the border. Either way, not sure I see the draw for Gorman. They have much bigger fish to fry.

¿Comprendes? Reread it. Can't happen.

Jayson West. 3 state titles, 2 different teams. He was a good coach. Went 4-6 his last year. Mike Kirschner. Also a state title winner. Went 5-4 last year and lost in the first round to 3-6 Lawrence Central. Looking at their regular season schedule, I struggle to find 5 wins. They get to .500 playing in the sectional of death that is sectional 7, but are likely a 2-3 TD underdog in their regional game with Cathedral. Warren Central can and likely will have a state caliber team again at some point. But the days of them winning games before kick off is likely in the rearview mirror.

Well the IHSAA is raising the playoff game renumeration by $10 across the board at all rounds of all tournament officiating. They are also DOUBLING the mileage from .25 to .50 per mile. Another tweak is to the 300 mile limit. They are easing the limit to allow IN schools to play teams OUTSIDE of the 300 mile limit.... No further information has been provided in this circumstance. I am assuming that the changes in the BASKETBALL tournament will also be mirrored in baseball; This would ADD to the number of officials that could attain Regional status and help them out with points to advancement, in both sports. https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/high-school/2022/06/23/ihsaa-basketball-tourney-format-changes-approved/7712674001/

Carmel vs Westfield…oh wait. CG vs Warren…oh wait Carmel&CG vs MIC…nope Carmel&CG vs HCC…nope. forget the travel rule. Great matchups right around Indy metro area. And these schools don’t want it.

How about a Fri/Sat opening week slate of the defending state champs in each class vs a competitively equal out of state school at Bloomington/WLafayette/Muncie/Terre Haute sites?

Carmel vs bishop Gorman stay at the Bellagio

The son of a coaches kid - I remember getting on the GID often on Friday nights and Saturday mornings in the early 2000s. As well, getting the new edition of the yearly Indiana Football Digest to comb through season after season. My only time meeting TA was that late spring before my senior year when he came to Warsaw to get pictures and interviews, stats, etc for next seasons digest. Growing up, I couldn't wait to get my name and picture included. I will always remember meeting him that day.

Never forget the Wolfpack of Crawford County.

Tim was acutely aware of his influence on the GID and was careful not to insert himself into too many discussions, lest his presence chill the debate.

You need to think bigger. I’m sure he is.

It should be noted that one of the major proponents of this case was the New York Public Defenders. Their contention was their case load is crammed with an inordinate amount of weapons charges against otherwise non-criminal actors. They maintained that prosecution of such cases is in large part against minorities. Big win for the 2A, I believe there are 7 or 8 may issue states that this will affect. There were already several lawsuits pending in various courts pending this ruling. Indiana itself used to be a may issue state. The state SC overturned it in the early 70’s.

Yes unfortunately. There is a lot happening in the school not directly related to the football program. It was just better for them mentally and safety wise. I will leave it at that.

Well played sir!!!

I’m actually on an airplane … but got the in-flight wi fi just so I could do that. 😂🤣

This is potentially a huge win for the 2nd Amendment folks. The specific holding of the case is as follows: “New York’s proper-cause requirement violates the Fourteenth Amendment by preventing law-abiding citizens with ordinary self-defense needs from exercising their Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms in public for self-defense.” Some might call this a formal acknowledgement of the inability of the government to protect its own citizens from the lawless elements in our country. And it’s not just limited to state laws. It includes local ordinances like those cities that use “may issue” laws to limit handgun ownership.

LOL...I knew it would take minutes to get that response Bob.....

Whatever it is, or could be, it’s peanuts compared to what he’s going to do in the world before he’s finished. This guy is going to be much, much more than a football player.

No. The IHSAA cannot stop a kid from participating in a camp during moratorium.

Sorta related: Love the irony of ESPN promoting its “37 words” documentary just months after making their stances on the Lia Thomas controversy and Florida bill well known. Modern hypocrisy.

Man, this was a punch in the gut reading this. What a great player and personality he was too. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34131855/ex-nfl-dt-tony-siragusa-goose-dies-age-55

I had to chuckle at his old quote I read in the newspaper this morning..... "If I wanted to learn a school song, I would have gone to Notre Dame or Penn State. I wanted to kill people on the football field. That is why I went to Pitt." What a personality.....the Goose was a legend.

Except that @Donnie Baker has a thing for the Woofs.

There is an @Donnie Baker joke here somewhere. Seems like low hanging fruit, tbh.

The trickle down effect of the NCAA transfer portal.

Would be interesting to know the reasons for transfers. Whether it’s a move from the family or just wanting to play elsewhere. I miss the days of kids playing in the community that they grew up in.

My mistake. Triton Central was at Colts 7. What’s next? Someone going to tell me Pike and Pike Central aren’t the same school too?

A good carpenter could help you with that.

This thread is comedy

Only two weeks to flatten the curve.

66 Massages??? I haven't had that many hands on me since "The insurrection".... I KEED, I KEED....😁

Slight correction-- 5 of the 8 baseball state finalists were private schools. The public schools went 1-2 (Tecumseh lost to LCC 4-1, Centerville lost to Illiana Christian 10-1, Penn beat Cathedral 3-0.) But I agree that the current Success Factor is not doing enough & the IHSAA willingly gave some big-time programs a huge break by dropping them down after just 1 season in a higher class. Some examples: Chatard-- football. 15 state titles, including 11 3A titles this century alone. After winning 3A in '19 & '20, Chatard bumped up to 4A for just 1 season. Now back in 3A for the next 2 years. Andrean-- baseball. 8 state titles, all in 3A from 2005-2022. When playing in 3A, Andrean has won state 5 straight 3A baseball titles-- 22,19,18,15,14. While bumped up to 4A, they lost in Sect (16), lost in Reg (17), Covid (20), lost in Sect (21). Since they earned 0 pts in 1 season '21+the Covid year '20, the IHSAA dropped them to 3A for this season. Mark my words-- Andrean will win at least one, maybe two 3A baseball state titles in '23 & '24 too. And they can thank the IHSAA for the head-scratching decision to drop them down for the '22 season. (All that said, this very-talented Andrean team may have won 4A this year.) Lafayette Central Catholic-- baseball. 8 state titles, all in 1A from 2004-2022. When playing in 1A, LCC has won state 6 straight 1A baseball titles-- 22,13,12,11,10,09. In this case, I think the SF has gotten things right. During LCC's first 5 years up in 2A, they won 2 Semistates, 4 Regionals & all 5 Sectionals which says to me that LCC is VERY competitive in 2A baseball & should always be playing up there. But then the IHSAA foolishly dropped them back down to 1A in '22 after a Sectional loss in '21+Covid '20. This year, LCC outscored 5 Sect/Reg opponents 53-3, including 2 Top 10 teams. So LCC should send a thank you note to the IHSAA for that 8th 1A trophy. I think Illiana Christian would have beaten them in 2A. Tecumseh-- softball. 4 state titles, all in 1A from 2009-2022. In this case, my only beef is that IHSAA decision to drop them back down to 1A in '22 after a Sectional loss in '21+Covid '20. Playing up in 2A for the 1st time due to the SF, Tecumseh won 2A Regional in '18 & State runner-up in '19. Again, the IHSAA dropped this perennial power back down to 1A in '22 after a Sectional loss in '21+Covid '20. Even though Tecumseh faced 5 ranked opponents, they still breezed to the 1A title by a combined 51-9 in 6 games. With only 1 regular starter graduating, Tecumseh will surely win 1 or 2 more 1A titles during the upcoming 2-year '23-'24 cycle.

Fair. I just think 25 football teams could make the same claim you are making.

https://reason.com/2022/06/23/title-ix-didnt-make-college-sports-equal-it-made-them-contentious/ The words sports, athletics, or even physical education never appear in the law since the original intent of the legislation was to alleviate imbalances between men and women in education. Title IX initially meant educational institutions had to provide both sexes with opportunities "substantially proportionate to their respective enrollments." And a 1992 court decision determined that noncompliant schools could face lawsuits, as well as being cut off from federal funding. But when implemented, Title IX effectively turned into a form of affirmative action for women in sports—an unsustainable quota-like system. It's proven difficult for schools to equally allocate resources—scholarships, equipment, arenas, and budgets—across genders and sports, which has caused schools to take the easy way out by slashing male programs. Especially given that football, a huge moneymaker on college campuses, doesn't have a female equivalent in size or impact. In 1970, just 44 percent of women in the U.S. graduated from high school, and only 11 percent had college degrees. Today, about 91 percent of American women complete high school, with over 39 percent going on to earn degrees from colleges and universities. In 1972, only 294,015 women competed on high school sports teams. By the 2018-2019 academic year, 3.4 million women competed on high school sports teams. In the early '70s, some 30,000 women competed on college sports teams. By 2020, that number had risen to 215,486. Title IX did remove barriers for women and girls to participate in sports, but the implementation has been flawed, with worse outcomes than anticipated. "Things have gone from absolutely horrendous to only very bad," Bernice R. Sandler, director of the Association of American Colleges' Project on the Status and Education of Women, told The Washington Post, a full decade after Title IX was passed. Full equality has yet to be achieved—and in some areas, probably can't be achieved, given the lack of equivalent women's teams for football and basketball, for example—and this legislation continues to put colleges and universities in a bind to reach unachievable quotas. There's nothing in Title IX that requires schools to cut or reduce men's opportunities in order to be compliant. But men's teams haven't gone unscathed in the last five decades. Title IX presented a complicated numbers game to athletic departments: Their student-athletes had to reflect the same gender disparity as that of the school plastered on their uniforms. So if a college campus was 56 percent women, then roughly 56 percent of the student-athletes should also be women. Is this even achievable when the two most profitable sports—football and basketball, which consume roughly 80 percent of men's sports budgets—require male athletes? It should come as no surprise that college football takes up a majority of the scholarships awarded to male athletes nationally—roughly 26,000, or 22,500 more scholarships than women's swimming and diving (the sport I competed in at a collegiate level) offers. The odds of getting a women's swimming and diving scholarship when I graduated high school were 47 to one. By comparison, football players had 43 to one odds of going on to play in the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) after high school. It's nearly impossible to make scholarship opportunities equally accessible for both sexes for every sport at every school. Back in 2002, George Will called Title IX a "policy train wreck" because of how it has negatively impacted male sports. "Colleges have killed more than 400 men's athletic teams in order to produce precise proportionality between men's and women's enrollments and men's and women's rates of participation in athletics," wrote Will. And what Michael Lynch wrote for Reason circa 2001 still rings true today: "The tragedy of Title IX is that virtually nobody is pleased with its current results." It's only gotten worse since the pandemic hit. Many colleges faced major budget deficits from a year without March Madness, and are still reeling from the earnings loss that came with fanless football games. For many schools, cutting programs was inevitable. Title IX was at the forefront of many athletic directors' minds on the cutting room floor, but their hands were tied, and budgets constrained, due to the requirements of the law. How Title IX protects transgender athletes is the law's next big controversy. When Lia Thomas, who previously competed as a male on the University of Pennsylvania's men's swimming and diving team, won the 500-yard freestyle event at the NCAA Division I women's championships for the same sport, uproar ensued. The NCAA received some praise for being inclusive by allowing Thomas to compete, but by protecting one athlete out of fear of backlash, many other athletes have been denied a true shot at the top spot on the podium. However, the Biden administration seems adamant that what originally gave women protection 50 years ago also applies to transgender athletes today. On June 16, the Department of Education expanded federal sex protections to include transgender students, reversing a Trump-era policy, even though many states already ban transgender students from participating in female sports. The Biden administration intends to enforce Title IX's prohibition on the basis of sex to include discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity. Title IX was never supposed to be about sports; it was about protecting women. It seems like that, too, is now disputed. Agreed. Title IX is a train wreck implementation wise, and this transgender issue only makes it use. Repeal the legislation and let colleges and universities run their athletic programs as they see fit.

Would we expect differently from a Disney owned entity??

He had it right. He didn't say you were dogpiling ON, rather taking the dogpiling FOR defending such a hypocrite.