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I've posted this in many threads over the years. Most people who make the statement that you've made operate from the idea that private school demand is much more than the supply and thus private schools are "obviously" gaming the system to stay in various sports enrollment classes. The reality is that demand is way under the supply space available. There are many things that drive lower demand than seats available, but let's start with some general demographic info about folks that MIGHT consider private school education. incidentally, I'm going to speak about the idea of religious private schools because that's the bulk of private schools in Indiana and that's also where my response came from and also likely where @coachkj's coming from as well. The VAST majority of people who attend faith-based schools in Indiana are members of that faith. That is, the vast majority of kids at LCC are Catholic. The vast majority of kids at Faith Christian tend to be Protestant. I'd suspect that the vast majority at Indy Lutheran are Lutheran. I don't know about Indy Lutheran for sure because my experience with them has typically been as a visitor on their campus, but I know that locally, the vast majority of kids that attend St. James Lutheran are Lutheran. Are there kids that crossover? Sure. There are a couple of kids from St. James that attend LCC. St. James only has K-8, so kids from St. James that play football might attend LCC if their folks want a Christian schooling and they want to play ball, but that's about 50/50 at best ... see below. There are kids from Faith Christian that played youth ball at LCC because Faith didn't have football up until this year when they started playing 8-man. Now let's get to the demand side of things. For you to attend LCC, there are MANY things that have to all be true to get you in the door that have nothing at all to do with test scores, etc. Those kinds of items cloud the very basic fact that the front of the funnel is wide, but there aren't that many that even end up in the funnel: As mentioned above, the first thing is that the VAST majority of people entering LCC are going to be Catholic. That takes out a LARGE number of people from the "potential" attendees. Yes, there will be some that aren't Catholic that will attend, but it's not a very large number and most non-Catholics self-select out before they get anywhere near the funnel. Secondly, Catholics in general don't attend Catholic schools ... PRACTICING Catholics do. So while Tippecanoe's Catholic population is around 11-12% Catholic, the practicing Catholic population is less. Note, practicing Catholic population doesn't necessarily mean registered parishioner either. There are plenty of registered Catholics that are what are referred to as Creaster Catholics ... they attend Mass only at Christmas and Easter annually and, sometimes, just one of those. The next step involves money or DESIRE for Catholic/Christian education. You can take them in either order, but I'll take desire first as, if the desire isn't there, then the money part really doesn't matter. If you are Catholic and practicing, you then have to have the desire for the kids' education to be served by the Catholic school. The idea behind Catholic education is that faith is an aspect of every part of life, including the education, and thus the focus on faith is present, in a Catholic education, across the board at all times in education. It's not the only way, but it is a way where that idea is baked in to the process. My kids were/are homeschooled for part of their education. We have a pretty good faith life, so for my kids, faith was always part of their day whether they were at Catholic school, homeschooled, public school, etc. For others, they have that desire to have a more structured education and a more structured infusion of faith during that time. If you don't care about the faith part as part of the daily education process in non-religious coursework, and I don't mean that in a bad way, then even if you are Catholic and practicing, you aren't going to worry about Catholic school as a vehicle. With that said, there are also varying levels of desire which impact "exit point" in Catholic education even with practicing Catholics with desire. Some are interested in general foundation, so they enroll kids up until they make their First Communion in Catholic school. Typically through 2nd or 3rd grade. Some take the foundation further and have their kids in Catholic schools through various break points ... like 6th grade or 8th grade to build a faith foundation. This also comes into play sometimes where parents want a hybrid education for their kids ... i.e., some Catholic and some public. Next is money. You can be Catholic, practicing Catholic, and have the desire, but money can be an issue too. Vouchers help with some of the cost offset, but depending on the number of kids and other issues facing you, the finances just may not work out. Also, even if you have the money, you may want to spend it on something else or, in making a cost benefit decision, even with desire, might decide that tuition is something that you want to start spending when your kid gets to college. There are a decent number of people who would probably send their kids to Catholic school if it was free, but have made a cost-benefit decision against that option. There are also some, like desire above, where there are "break points" for financial impact. Typically price breaks take place between elementary and junior high and junior high and high school in most Catholic education environments that can have impact on exit ramps in Catholic education. So now we get back to the original question and also to the fact that, while the argument is that Catholic/private schools can get students from "all of the state" and from everywhere, more realistically, you have to typically find: Someone who is Catholic Someone who is practicing Catholic Someone who has the desire for Catholic education compared to the alternatives Someone who has the willingness to pay for the option Likely, in most cases, in closer proximity to the school ... although the desire aspect above can sometimes overrule the money and distance aspect Using the items above, and applying them to the VAST majority of people, even if you are talking about the entire state, you see that the demand side is the constraint in the equation. Just a quick number exercise for TippCo: Tippecanoe County has around 180,000 citizens The county has 27,390 school age kids aged 5-17 Assuming that 12% of those kids are Catholic, that leaves LCSS a "pool" of 2,739 Catholic kids to work with. About 4 in 10 Catholics say that they attend Mass at least once a week. We can use that as a surrogate for practicing Catholics. That's 40% of 2,739 or roughly 1,095. And that's BEFORE we get to desire and money. LCSS, across five schools and K-12, has about 900 kids enrolled. That's the enrollment issue in a nutshell for almost all of the religious private schools that you will see. And, as you can see, the enrollment capping stuff pretty much happens before a family even gets a hold of an application form. Most of the argument from folks about enrollment control tends to address it from the county population or the school age population in the area, but the pool is, realistically, much smaller than that.

If I am Tom Allen, I am on a beach in the Bahamas on a multi-week vacation with my family thinking this is the greatest thing that could have happened. $ and getting out of that horrible gig at IU. My agent already is informing suitors what does and does not motivate me for the next DC position I take. Heck, I am looking for a dream job that I can be all in on since I already have $. And as a DC, I think his spirit does translate to his guys if they know he is all in on them, just not when you are trying to beat the MAC cellar at home in overtime as the head coach.

I don’t care if he is going to Miami of Ohio or the Miami Academy of Hair Design - he was was the best HS player in the state of Indiana this year.

Negative. I don’t eat fish so…… I don’t drink water either….because fish fu…in it.

Until Indiana crosses the 320 mark, I think 32-64-64-64-64-32 just makes so much sense. Now that Scottsburg and Silver Creek are back, would there be any schools added that weren’t at the lower end of enrollments? Maybe if TH split into a North-South-East system. Are there any other places around the state where an HSE-Fishers type split would occur?

Hamilton Heights and Westfield may not be a good fit for Sheridan... but at least they aren't.. ..."Them People"... I gotta go....

I know schools like Sheridan have absolutely no interest in this terrible idea. We have ZERO desire to consolidate with Hamilton Heights, and even less desire to be absorbed into Westfield. Indiana Chamber of Commerce needs to find something else to talk about.

He really rocks the half smile with the I am terrified to be in front of a camera look.

He said BEST school lunches.

Success factor makes perfect sense if applied the way it was proposed, but the IHSAA went with the proposed success factor and used their own modifications to it (hence the 2 year cycle which was not proposed). A multiplier is a horrendous idea and always has been. There is a good article about it analyzing what each state does, you can skip to page 18 of the 24 page document to get to the analysis definitely a great read. https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/EJ1005884.pdf A great quote from the article "An important first step in finding a resolution to any problem is problem identification. With regard to the multiplier one must ask, for what problem is this the solution? It is not clear what problem the multiplier seeks to redress apart from the malum in se of private school success. Consequently, it represents a blunt tool that harms all private schools in an effort to punish the few private schools experiencing great success in a few sports. What is this alleged unfair advantage, and if it really exists, what ought to be done to level this unfair advantage in an equitable fashion? This question is missing from most of the multiplier debates which usually point to statistical overrepresentation of private schools winning state championships in a few select sports as sufficient justification for a universal private school multiplier." What some don't think of is a multiplier will be placed on your Cathedral's, Chatard's, Luers, LCC's etc. It will also be placed on Bishop Noll who is 10-78 over the last 10 years. If you think bumping Adams Central up to 2A due to success factor is unjust how do you not feel a multiplier is unjust to Bishop Noll? For those that want to have PP in their own tournament with a Bishop Noll or Providence playing Cathedral or Chatard. Come on that's fine if you are okay with North Posey or Adams Central playing Center Grove or Ben Davis. There are Public schools that dominate certain sports that make up 1% of IHSAA membership (Carmel swimming) and not a peep, but bring up football and that 12% is bad news. There are other examples city vs rural etc etc go on down the list. Quite frankly a multiplier and separate tournaments are terrible ideas. I agree a high school team beating a collegiate team is just asnine for anyone to state. Even a magnet school like IMG wouldn't be able to beat a collegiate team, it's just not going to happen.

North Knox's weight room is actually outstanding. If he were placing a bet that the Crawford County weight room is nicer than any private school weight room, he wouldn't be able to afford tuition for his son next year.

Central Catholic football talk in September 1989! Rick George became the head Coach at LCC in 1989. LaRocca retired after the 1976 season, and 6 men have coached the Knights since. LCC's varsity football record from 1980 through 1988 was 32-60. The talk included questions like, Yes, LCC is good this year, but will they have enough numbers to field a team in 1990? The 1989 roster had 28 players of which 10 were Seniors. There were 4 juniors, 6 sophomores and 8 freshmen on the 89 team. One of the freshmen was 5 foot 4 and 140 pounds. There were six 8th graders playing junior high football in 1989, there was no freshman team at LCC, and the JV had a 5 game schedule. The 7th and 8th graders combined on one team. Athletic director Dave Worland said LCC had 19 7th graders playing football and that its Little Gridiron program for 5th and 6th graders soon would make it possible for the Knights to field a 7th grade team, an 8th grade team, a freshman team and a JV team.

The best explanation I've ever seen and accurately describes what Memorial and Mater Dei experience here in Evansville. Our enrollment declined during the time we were appearing at Lucas Oil.

I lost all respect for the people that pick the award the year Russ Yeast did not get it he was the best player in the state by far. But the winner was some one that never even won anything.

Well, at least we all know the P/P's won't ever dominate the Unified Flag Football tournaments.

No outrageat all....young man from EC heck of a year. But the homer in me goes for Tyler Cherry, CG QB. One of the nation's top prospects. https://www.on3.com/db/rankings/player/football/2024/?position=qb 34 TD's, 6 picks and a 133.7 QB rating against a very tough regional schedule. (Indiana, Ohio, Kentucky and Tennessee schools) https://www.maxpreps.com/in/greenwood/center-grove-trojans/athletes/tyler-cherry/football/stats/?careerid=lf1091ae7k6p9

That makes sense. Sorry about that. I let my emotions get the best of me on what I knew was going to be a stressful evening.

There is more to that story. Coach Clayton asked the PC coach to go to a running clock, he smarted off to Clayton and coach basically said ok then we will run it to 100. We just didn't have enough time.....:)

Actually, it really only takes a couple of weeks of Mass announcements at the start of the registration period to hear the fact/tone that it's not a PSA and, instead a very earnest appeal for enrollments.

So for the couple of you that might care, Dave dug this out and sent it to me last night. Dave believes that this ONLY accounts for 1996-2006, so some of these have been broken, many likely will never be broken. If nothing else I found it interesting and terribly nostalgic.

According to the Ihsaa web site, Luers won a 3A sectional in 2014, 2017, 2018.

Three of the brothers are priests - Ted, Andrew & Brian (St. Maria Goretti Parish in Westfield).

Look at Basketball last year, Burton wasn't the biggest played, didn't have all the big time offers. But, his stats were undeniable.

Wonder what the odds are that they'll be put in the Sectional of Death?

-Jason Candle--Head Coach Toledo -Paul Chryst--Current Texas analyst/former Wisconsin head coach -Justin Frye--Ohio State run game coordinator/OL coach (IU alum) -Mike Hart--RB coach Michigan Take your pick, death is not an option.

No it was all complete sarcasm. Just repeating what I always hear about why Chatard is so good. 50 years of foundation laid for them to be where they are...or they are just pulling from 4 different feeder schools in Indianapolis. Take your pick.

Westfield has a Sushi Bar…..just sayin.

LCC has certainly had an up and down history, but is currently on an exceptionally long run of good-great seasons. Interesting note future University of Minnesota head coach Tim Brewster was just 11-11 at LCC.

And there will once again be outrage amongst 6A slappies.

Guessing he will bring his stud DT and occasional fullback Meany with him!!

Gentlemen/Ladies, It looks as though we are at 68.5% towards this year's goal. I know that the last few years have been a strain on most due to inflation and other factors. I also know it is the holiday season. With that said, the GID needs our help. If we could all donate $1 it would take the burden off the guys behind the scenes that continue keep Tim's dream alive. Thanks in advance. No, I am not behind the scenes guy. I am a fan of this site and Indiana High School football though.

Just sent $30

Honestly, I think he would look like a QB that holds the ball too long and misses open reads. I could be wrong, but I thought Stroud was trending as the presumed #1 pick closer to the draft until it leaked that Carolina was taking Young.

correct Coach Buzz just went into IFCA HOF thru Region 1 this past summer.

Absolutely NOT, reason, why should CARMEL lets say or even Crown Point one with 5k students other with 3k students be in a same classfication with schools that won't even be close to 2k students in their buildings. I was in those IFCA board meetings when this was all brought out and at the time, MUNSTER with like 1800 kids was playing in 5a football with schools that had 3k and that was just in their area, then you expect them to go down to compete with INDY area Mega Schools with 4-5 thousand kids when they had 1800?? The discrepancy from top to bottom is astounding with amount of bodies available.

Thank you sir.... I know my notoriously long posts can be tedious at times...but I am a man of information LOL. I loved doing all that just got to where I was playing catch-up with everything life deals out. I will work this off-season trying to get all my files updated to where I can get back to those times.

Technically....QBs can NOT have "AP yards" per max preps. AP yards are a combination of Rushing, Receiving, KR, PR and IR. QBs can have "Total Yards", which is a combination of Rushing, Passing, and Receiving. I don't know much about the DeLong kid...but here is a little: Sean DeLong had 1,860 AP yards this season (1313 rush, 425 rec, 122 return) and 23 TDs. (GS school record) For his career, he had 4,300 AP yards and 48 TDs in 46 games as a starter. (GS school record) Defensive career stats include 29 tackles, 2 for loss, 1 sack, 3 interceptions. State Champion and First Team All-Conference RB as a Sophomore. All Area WR, 1st Team All Conference WR, IFCA JR All-State WR as a Junior. So far 1st Team All Conference RB as a Senior. Currently has offers from Ky Wesleyan College, Taylor University, and Georgetown College.

Its pretty well understood that p/p schools do have advantages over public schools, which is why parents that are able to offer these opportunities to their children send them there as opposed to public schools. These kids, in most cases, have excellent family support and the opportunities to flourish in safer, more structured environments. If there were no advantages, parents wouldn't send their kids there. This translates to the football field. A better question in my eyes is what makes the public schools that are traditionally successful, competitive most years. Small schools will always have ebbs and flows in talent, class sizes etc. What do Adams Central, Linton Stockton, North Judson, Pioneer, Webo, Sheridan, Eastbrook, etc do that make them successful consistently??? Is it weight room dedication, culture, coaching, game philosophy, youth programs? I've always been of the mindset if you don't like losing get better. Trying to make a universal system of equity isn't going to happen, nor should it in my opinion, so go out and work harder/ coach better. Build up your regular season schedule to prep for the tournament, stretch your teams in summer scrimmages, participate in 7 on 7's and most importantly get your kids competing in the offseason (track, wrestling, basketball, etc)!

I'm just confused. So because Lutheran and Adams Central could beat North Posey, that makes 2A the worst class in Indiana High School Football. LCC and Luers don't have some of their best teams, that makes 2A football terrible? Exactly how much 2A football outside of the Semistate and State Championship have you watched?

How many of us looked up the definition of hegemony? My eyebrows are still twitching. What happened to dynasty, dominance, supremacy, etc? I miss the good days when I knew what all the words meant, big or small. I'm not sure if I still belong here, despite my mid major 1970s degree. We may need a "word of the day" topic to help keep us all up to speed. Just funnin.

I think you are very wrong. Like stated about the NE for 2A was very solid. LCC was only down a touchdown going into halftime against the state champions. That LCC team played a very good Rochester team that went toe to toe with them. Laville played an excellent game against LCC as well. Just eventually got worn out in the second half. That Laville team beat Andrean who has gone to state the last two years. They also beat the semistate runner up in 1A NJ Bluejays. Alexandria played Bluffton very tough first round of sectionals and everyone is saying Bluffton was the second best team in 2A. Just because you had two very solid programs in 1A that could punch above their weight class so to speak, doesn't mean the whole 1A was better than 2A. I think you could say that about a couple of teams in every class. Outside of Chatard's sectional in 3A, how many other sectionals could a couple of teams in 2A have won. My guess is they could have made some noise in a few. Same could be said about some teams in 3A if they played in 4A and so on. I think Snider could have been competitive in the North for 6A this year. Reflecting on the tournament as a whole, i don't think there was a class that was down compared to the others. I think overall this was a very balanced tournament across the board. Obviously there were some classes that you knew the winner before it started but each class had a solid top 10 teams for their class which is what you want. To say any class was the worst in Indiana is hard to do in my opinion. I saw a lot of good football in 2A, a lot more good than bad. I think the North in 2A just had a gap that was a lot greater than what the South had this year and it made people think 2A had one good team and that was all based on the state championship.

That play was a great example of why the wing official needs to be stationary and keep distance on the catch. He's moving so his eyes are bouncing as the catch is happening. Plus he's too close to have a good view of the ball and feet with the sideline. I saw wings running toward the catch all weekend despite the IFOA training videos telling them each week to hold or stay close to the line of scrimmage and if you drift be sure to be stopped at the mesh point. This was snapped inside the 15 so the wing is in a tough spot because they need to get into the end zone. But once it's obvious the receiver will be beyond the goal line at the catch, there is on reason for the wing to be on the goal line. Overall the officiating this weekend was excellent. We may have a faulty process to advance officials, but the process the past several years has put solid crews in the finals. There are many other crews who would do just as excellent, but there are only so many spots and it's hard for them to advance in the current system.

As always....the issue with p/p vs public isn't the kids they count. Its the kids the p/p's will never have to count. The kids the publics will always have to count. Would a kid who constantly fails all his classes, is habitually absent, and often suspended for disciplinary issues; be allowed to remain at a p/p school? The answer is he probably would have never been an applicant to begin with, but also assuredly NO...he would not be able to remain. Public schools have to count those kids...and for some publics that is a sizeable fraction of their student body.

Why would private schools need it? I've been on two different private school sites and a special education department is nowhere to be found. If you don't have students with special needs, why would you get money allocated for students with special needs?

If all P/P's went 0-10, would they be put in their own tournament?

Maybe having one of the largest employers in the Tri State area has something to do with people moving to the GS district.

just a few older guys ahead of him was my understanding, but with Sheffield bolting before Bucket game, it looks like he got some more run and had a nice day Saturday. Some real tough moments in this transition year, Harrell had some real bright spots, then some real WTF spots...... A lot of young exciting players that Walters was able to hold onto from Brohm class, obviously potential Freshman All American in Thienman was an absolute STUD in Walters system. TE Burhnam (sp) also showed a lot in bucket game with Tibbs. GOT TO FIND OFFENSIVE LINEMAN Big Big Off Season

BD vs Brownsburg/Cathedral/CG was the 6A title game. Snider vs Mishawaka was the 5A title game. East Central vs NorthWood was the 4A title game. Chatard vs Guerin Catholic was the 3A title game. Luers vs Eastside/Bluffton/LCC was the 2A title game. Lutheran vs Adams Central was the 1A title game.