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Center Grove Bantam Football is hosting our annual Keith Adams Memorial Classic Tournament and registration is now live. We are looking for 2nd through 6th grade teams. This is a grade based tournament. Cost is $200 per team. You can sign up at our web site HERE. Tournament features: * 3 games guaranteed (2 Saturday and 1 Sunday) * All championship games will be played on turf at the Center Grove High School * IHSAA certified referees * $200 team fee * $15 weekend gate pass / $10 daily (10 and under free) * Concessions, food trucks, and tournament apparel will be available on site On a personal note, I grew up with Keith Adams. He was a great man and a great friend.

That guest guy is probably getting a stiffie seeing his ode post come back to life. I gotta go

If they're scared of getting hurt, they shouldn't sign up for a sport that forces you to bang into other humans and throw them to the ground.

Which is, of course, the opposite of In Sync, which is why the Patriots said "Bye, Bye, Bye".

It bothers no one here, that turf bothers you. 🤣🤣🤣

I thought I'd give this it's own thread. It is a big night in Lincoln City. We have a battle of the unbeatens on homecoming and we have the dedication for the Bob Clayton (320-74) Hall of Fame Plaza. Should be a packed night. Dedication Night On Friday, September 15th, we will officially dedicate the Bob Clayton Hall of Fame Plaza and also honor one of the best all-time high school football coaches in the nation. A winning tradition, current successes and hopeful future are all things that we want to focus on at all times when it comes to Patriot Football. This project will help us effectively establish a permanent landmark to showcase the great history of Patriot Football, while providing past, present and future Patriots a place to gather, reminisce, dream and cheer on our Patriot Football teams in seasons to come. Bob Clayton (320-74) With that said, former Patriot Football Head Coach, Bob Clayton, has made a tremendous impact on so many people and the success of the program. Please join us prior to kickoff (approx. 6:30pm CST), as we welcome Bob Clayton back to The Jungle and show our appreciation for the culture he has built within the Patriot Football program! HH vs North Posey Friday, September 15th 7:00 pm CST Kickoff *HOMECOMING NIGHT* @ Heritage Hills High School - The Jungle History Of The Matchup North Posey (4-0) @ Heritage Hills (4-0) Heritage Hills High School - The Jungle Friday, September 15, 2023 7:00 pm CST Kickoff This is the 52nd meeting between Heritage Hills and North Posey. The Patriots lead the series 39-12. The Vikings are averaging 39.8 ppg (points per game) and giving up 8.8 ppg, while the Patriots averaging 44.8 ppg and giving up 10.0 ppg. The Vikings are one of only three schools that Heritage Hills has played in football every season since their inaugural season in 1972. The Patriots won the first meeting in 1972, then North Posey won the next 4 meetings to take a 4-1 series lead. Heritage Hills won the next four to retake the series lead at 5-4, followed by two more North Posey wins giving them their last lead in the series at 6-5. Common Opponents in 2023 North Posey 35, Tell City 0 Heritage Hills 56, Tell City 7 North Posey 41, South Spencer 7 Heritage Hills 40, South Spencer 0 Patriot Coaching Records vs North Posey Roger Snow 1-4 Bob Ashworth 1-0 Bob Clayton 29-4 Todd Wilkerson 8-4 PACK THE JUNGLE this Friday to cheer for the RED, WHITE, & BLUE! For The Record 1972 HH 7, NP 6 1973 NP 35, HH 0 1974 NP 7, HH 0 1975 NP 16, HH 0 1976 NP 27, HH 6 1977 HH 7, NP 2 1978 HH 13, NP 0 1979 HH 14, NP 0 1980 HH 44, NP 0 1981 NP 14, HH 10 1982 NP 12, HH 0 1983 HH 56, NP 14 1984 HH 13, NP 6 1985 HH 27, NP 6 1986 HH 19, NP 18 1987 HH 27, NP 6 1988 HH 46, NP 6 1989 HH 20, NP 6 1990 HH 40, NP 0 1991 HH 45, NP 13 1992 HH 28, NP 12 1993 HH 49, NP 25 1994 HH 44, NP 13 1995 HH 28, NP 14 1996 NP 21, HH 19 1997 HH 27, NP 6 1998 HH 27, NP 0 1999 HH 65, NP 14 2000 HH 69, NP 3 2001 HH 42, NP 0 2002 HH 39, NP 6 2003 HH 41, NP 0 2004 HH 21, NP 6 2005 HH 48, NP 6 2006 HH 35, NP 0 2007 HH 31, NP 0 2008 NP 28, HH 24 2009 HH 26, NP 7 2010 HH 35, NP 11 2011 NP 20, HH 12 2012 NP 34, HH 27 2013 HH 30, NP 22 2014 HH 21, NP 7 2015 HH 42, NP 7 2016 HH 26, NP 15 2017 NP 37, HH 23 2018 HH 66, NP 7 2019 HH 49, NP 0 2020 HH 35, NP 34 (2OT) 2021 HH 35, NP 14 2022 NP 33, HH 26 (2OT)

They get a lot in one small area of Fort Wayne also.

Just spent some time talking to our director of facilities. here are some numbers Initial installation of the turf was $800,000. That included removal of 12 inches of dirt, installation of the drainage system, the materials that go under the turf for an even surface, and then the turf itself. The life of the turf is about 10 years. To replace just the turf will be $200,000 Maintenance of the turf includes Grooming once a week to remove trash and even out the rubber pellets. That takes 2 hours, and is done 27 times a year from the beginning of Spring Soccer in Mid April through the end of November. Man hours on that come out to about $2500 The contract with the installer includes an inspection once a year for $1200. That inspection includes looking at the seams, and a G Max test, to test the impact the field can absorb. There is a sstandard for determining if the field can still be used for football with that test. So a rough estimate is about $5,000 a year to maintain the field. Now for grass Painting the field for 6 home games average including playoffs 4 hours for the boundary lines and the full lines every 5 yards Depending on the number of people working, the numbers and hash marks can take another 4-6 hours; longer for fewer people. For 6 games a year to pay for man hours alone, that comes to about $10,000 for a season in labor and paint. The paint cost will vary. A 5 gallon bucket is about $60. He was not sure how many buckets were used per game. Grass was cut once a week, so about $2,400 for that in man hours. The field was watered from early Spring through the end of the season. he did not have the numbers for what watering cost. With the amount of water used, that is more than likely the biggest expense. The only comparison I have is that to put 15,000 gallons of water in my pool was $200 here in Fort Wayne. I hav no idea how many gallons were used a day on the field. Fertilizer for the grass was $1,200. Seeding the field, and overseeding done in late Fall, and aerating the field was $500. What is not accounted for in most high schools Maintenance for grass can run between $30,000 to do as little as possible to $60,000 to put time and effort into a nice field. A friend from outside of Indy that used to coach said that $60,000 was the annual cost their AD presented to the board before a decision was made for installing turf. It is also recommended that grass fields be resurfaced every 10 years to add new topsoil, recrown the field for proper drainage. Usage Prior to turf being a big thing, most fields in Indiana were low end as far as care went. Even on good fields, usage was drastically limited. Even a varsity team was limited to how much they could practice on the grass. We had PAL games on Saturdays on ours, JV games on Mondays, Middle School games on Wednesdays, and Freshmen games on Thursdays. We did not share our field with soccer, but several did. The band could not use the grass field for practice because of the wear and tear of marching, and wheeling the props on and off. Physical Education classes could not use the field. Have I mentioned what happens to a field when it rains? Especially what happens to it on a game day? Once the cooler weather sets in, most grass fields deteriorate rapidly. In the long run, over a 10 year period, a grass field easily costs more to maintain than it does to install and maintain a turf field. The usage increased about 300% on our field as a result of turf installation. In my 16 years here, I have seen far more serious injuries on our crappy grass field than I have on our turf. I will ignore any study that does not involve at least 100 grass fields...and I want to know for certain that it includes grass fields that are poorly maintained. College and pro teams certainly have the resources to maintain quality grass fields, and I have no problem with those athletes and experts wanting to switch. But for multi purpose fields, which every high school field in this state is, I will still contend the safer and more cost effective thing is turf.

Well this thread has been Mudasized!

Seegers went to Patriots in the early 70’s when all of Warren county consolidated. 2nd and foremost Fountain county is full of beautiful women and I’ll say it right to your face. The WRC is the conference of hot mil…… I mean hot moms. I swear to God it is

Now THAT'S a flag I would hate to try to explain. But, in reality, if there is noticed field issue we are supposed to play the game and alert the administration.

Not all of us get that fancy smancy education where we learn to spell.

Now that camps are open..... I love seeing stuff like this. I see things like this often with Allen. Class act

What are your thoughts on the statewide Homfield Advantage at only 0.25 (one-fourth) point? Historically, the Indiana high school rounds around 1.5 to 2.5 points. College and the NFL is typically 2.5 points as a given. Certainly it is expected to see some variation, but only 0.25 points? Is it because the bands aren't softening the field with their skin sweat during halftime shows .?. if they even take place!!! I need answers and need them now! This is a shameless promotion of my Indiana High School Football Predictor Tool - https://predictor.gridirondigest.net/ Rest assured that new features are forthcoming! Perhaps the new "Vs. the Field" feature will tide ya'll over. One new feature I am working on is the ability for Team Year vs Team Year matchups (kind of like Cal Prep, but my algorithm is better.) Contact me. Out! Chris

Dang it Siri

Crazy bit of trivia, South Warren is now #1 in 5A and Boyle is #1 in 4A in KY.

Oh come on. This is fun to watch in the off season but isn't there actual football to be discussing right now?

Remember. we are EQUATING most High School fields to that of Collegiate and Professional fields. At the HS level "Cletus and his friends" are probably maintaining the turf. Let's be serious people! I'll agree at many Collegiate, and EVERY Professional level, a grass surface would be maintained at a level that none other could achieve. We are comparing apples and nuclear bombs!

Of course it does. We are a small school and infinite amounts of more groups use the turf than band, football. But you want a cost analysis, that's fine, but make sure it's an apples to apples comparison. You spend X amount of dollars for so much time on the turf vs X amount of dollars for the time on a grass field. You have to take into account the massive disparity in usage time or the comparison is a waste of time. I'm failing to see the advantages of grass, other than... yeah, not spending any money.

Seymour Floyd Central Columbus East Jennings County

FWIW, about 2/3 of the responders on the NFHS Football Officials’ FB page said it was a touchback. SMH

Good quarterbacks have roasted Snider in the past. We'll have to wait and see if the DB's are up to the task.

I can't imagine it getting more use than our field, or even anything close to it.. and you still have the issue of JV, youth, 7/8 ruining your game field. Which.. every year.. ours was absolutely torched no matter how much we didnt use it. Plus-- we added significantly more and better parking by getting rid of most of our practice field. We have batting cages to take batting practice in, and we use the Aux gym if its poor weather after school or we just stay on the turf. What we didn't have is the ability to be on a field 24/7 and not ruin it. Well with the lack of mods, it was bound to happen.

I’ve been a tough critic of the Saints so I’ll add this to the discussion for a positive thought. If their line continues to improve, they will be tough to beat in the Sectionals. Add an improved secondary (not O Keefe, he’s very very good) and we don’t give up the home run because we are out of position or no safety help we will be the overwhelming favorite. One DB needs help in coverage but I think he will improve. Add a less predictable passing attack with quick passes and an occasional deep ball, we could win the Semi State too. No matter what, Northwood is going to be a tough team to beat but Semi State in 4A isn’t anything to be ashamed of. If we somehow make it to State, we don’t match up well with East Central. Don’t know enough about Roncolli or New Pal to know if they can beat EC. We may match up better with those teams. I’m hoping we start a positive trend and utilize our playmakers with quick hits and stop with 90% of our routes being fly patterns. If we beat HHS, we could finish 5-4(maybe beat Snider if we can keep up with their speed) and go into playoffs with positive momentum.

Seymour FC Madison East

Seymour FC JC Columbus East

https://apnews.com/article/nfl-nflpa-aaron-rodgers-achilles-injury-grass-fields-artificial-surface-0b6bd58da43d52b0a8578bd7e70228d3 Using that logic lets go back to leather helmets, or no helmets at all.

What specifically? That the MIC 6 were cowards and took the first train out of town because they were tired of getting their teeth kicked in? How is that political?

It’s a TD. Even though the ball was not in player possession, it’s still in possession of Team A. A live ball is always in team possession. Since the ball was declared dead in B’s end zone while Team A was in possession, it’s a TD.

Yes, no one is being forced to sign up for sports. Those who choose to sign up are being forced to play on surfaces that are not optimal for safety in the name of saving money and expedience for administrators. Pretty shameful if you ask me.

No one is being forced to play on turf. HS sports are elective extra-curricular activities.

Should be an electric atmosphere, really looking forward to it!

Perf NFHS rules, any logo covering a yard marker should have a shadow to establish the line. If there is a measurement in that area and we don't have the yard lines, we have to move the ball outside of the logo to measure it.

Now someone tell the manufacturer to put a shadow on the 50 yard line through the logos 😉

Seymour Floyd Jennings County Columbus East

Fair enough. I gotta go.

Let's see what happens to the land that sits next to Lane Middle School (and the soon to be empty Fire Station) across the street. **Just a thought as it relates to R. Nelson Snider HS and having a unique FB Stadium.

+ would mean that these teams are underdogs. I believe you would want to have (-) in front, I swear to god you would!

Seymour Floyd JC Columbus East

Bedford NL at Seymour Floyd Central at Jeffersonville Madison at Jennings County New Albany at Columbus East

No take backs. STATE LAW!

To be fair the Bermuda grass the NFL players get to play is very different than the hard ground and Kentucky bluegrass on high school fields. Those surfaces look and feel like an artificial surface but nicer.

I think it's funny that all of the people who play the game at the highest level possible are in near-unanimous agreement that grass is easier on the body, while a bunch of guys sitting on their couches watching them go "Nuh-uh you're wrong!"

Or jus wait for the next Gen to come on line..all together.. with a huge athletic line and 8 Anthrops... 😆

I can totally agree with this. Right now I have in 4A: 1.) East Central Next tier (you can mix them all around) 2.) Kokomo 3.) Ev. Reitz 4.) Ev Memorial 5.) Roncalli 6.) New Pal Next Tier is a mix of several teams. I definitely think the South is over powering the North as of right now.

I sometimes think (and I am guilty of this in my rankings too) many coaches fall into the "name recognition" trap. Teams get the benefit of the doubt often times based on history which is sort of unfair. I also think that can occur in the other direction in terms of biases. After all though, it is just fun discussion. Not life or death.

Leo doesn't even garner one vote in 4A? Columbia City over New Haven and East Noble? Should we even trust a coaches poll? How is a coach even qualified to come up with a Top 10? Aren't they too ultra focused on their own teams to worry about who's Top 10 and who isn't?

Negative on that one. Have you tried emailing Leigh Evans? He's the publisher of HickoryHusker, last I knew.

I’m cashing in some sticky singles from my mom Phyllis and I’ll donate Friday. I swear to God I will

When Lutheran wins state they will move up to 2A and probably be stuck there. So you won't have to deal with them. So quit your bitching and make your team better.