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Just goes to show, Catholics do more with less.

This is a reminder to check in on your friends. Mental health issues are starting to wise as a result of this pandemic. Combine that with the start of the colder weather and darker days, some individuals may need more love and attention. It is important to know that some individuals may loss touch with reality and not even realize that they are falling into a deep dark pit of despair.

And this is the problem. There is an entire generation of coaches and fans who have never known anything but the all in, and who, as a result, have been infected with the “entitlement” mentality. It is exactly the opposite of the valuable lessons football is supposed to teach us: that nothing comes without earning it, and that you only get back what you put into it. If the practical reality of trying to run an all in tournament with that many schools is the only reason states like Ohio don’t have an all in tournament, what about those states that have a lower number of football playing schools than Indiana? There are 33 states that have a lower population than Indiana, and about the same number that have fewer schools. What’s their excuse? Ohio has had their taste of the all in. If it’s a superior system, people are going to start beating the drum for change. But I certainly don’t hear anything like that coming from the East. The fact is, the all in format makes the regular season less than it could be. The adherence to the all in system limits Indiana football. Do you even know the history of the all in format? It wasn’t a measured decision, arrived at after conscious deliberation on the question of what is best for Indiana football. It was done to settle a lawsuit, and to avoid any criticism of the IHSAA over selection or seeding. Not very good reasons. But the “justification” for the all in has been lost to time, as the vast majority of coaches, administrators and fans have never known anything else. We went from 64 schools in the playoffs (a little over 20% of the schools) to over 300. If the problem was that not enough schools made the post-season, then increase the number. But the IHSAA just basically threw up their hands and caved to the easy way, the way that doesn’t require anything more than just showing up. Interesting, we laud the high school football experience for what it teaches kids about life: work hard and you will be rewarded, you get what you earn, etc. But our all in format teaches them the opposite: you can give less than your all, including basically giving nothing, and still make the tournament. By doing so, we are missing the chance to reinforce those life lessons. And it’s those valuable lessons football teaches that justify us letting our kids do to one another that which would get them arrested if it happened on the street.

Big loss for North Side. Coach Brevard was really getting kids to believe in the program, hopefully they can get a quality hire.

Im rooting for the 140 Mile 3 hour trip from South Put to South Central! At least 1 school will gain an hour with time change on 1 of their trips! Thank you for the hard work and doing this!

Still talking about football here right?

While I genuinely appreciate the history lesson, I disagree for a couple reasons: 1. I don’t think the all-in format breeds entitlement whatsoever. True, the tournament has gotten rid of the idea of ‘earning your way’ into the playoffs. But the tournament has replaced the idea of earning the playoffs with earning sectional/regional/state trophies. I doubt any kid in Indiana feels any sense of ‘entitlement’ about winning one of these trophies. A by-product of this is you also don’t get the “well at least we made the playoffs” excuse you see in other states, and teams put priority on winning those playoff trophies because none of them think just getting to the playoffs is something to be proud of. This makes kids not settle and not be complacent, which I would definitely consider a good life lesson. 2. I do not think the all-in format diminishes the regular season at all either. The kids want to win every single game they play in, the fact everyone makes the playoffs does not change that. Also add in the fact that the all-in format has resulted in many teams scheduling the hardest in-season competition they can find. If we went to a qualifying format, you’d see teams schedule more cupcake games and drop some of those great regular season matchups (CG-Cathedral, for example). If anything, the all-in format ends up increasing the level of competition in the regular season, as teams strive to play the best opponents to gear themselves up for the tournament. 3. The current tournament leads to some unpredictable results. This year, you had 3-6 Leurs, 5-4 WeBo, and 4-5 Zionsville all make runs to the state finals. Would these teams have made it into a qualifying playoff format? How many big upsets or wild runs to LOS would we be missing out on by adopting a qualifying structure?

Some guy that doesn’t know the difference between their, there and they’re is saying Merrillvilles is getting screwed by dropping back to 5A. Can’t they request to stay up? I know Scecina did in the early 2000’s and Seegers went down to 1A and was runner up and champs against Ritters both games. He said the state already toad them they couldn’t. Have the rules changed? I gotta go.

Congratulations to Ben Davis Alum Mike Brevard ('09) on a new opportunity to coach linebackers at his alma mater! https://twitter.com/coach_brevard/status/1334295326371377152?s=20

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Lou Holtz receives the Presidential Medal of Freedom. Coach Lou still an important member of the Notre Dame family. https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/30443996/lou-holtz-receives-presidential-medal-freedom-president-donald-trump Lou Holtz receives Presidential Medal of Freedom from President Donald Trump 12:05 PM CT AP WASHINGTON -- President Donald Trump on Thursday called Lou Holtz "one of the greatest coaches in American history" as he honored the college football Hall of Famer and political ally with the nation's highest civilian honor. Holtz, whose 34-year coaching career included the 1988 national title at the University of Notre Dame, received the Presidential Medal of Freedom during an Oval Office ceremony. Holtz led six different programs to bowl games and is an outspoken Trump backer. "He's really a life teacher," said Trump, noting the respect and loyalty Holtz earned from the many players he mentored. Holtz had a 249-132-7 record over a career that, in addition to Notre Dame, included stops at William & Mary, North Carolina State, the University of Arkansas, the University of Minnesota and the University of South Carolina. He also coached the NFL's New York Jets to a 3-10 record in 1976. Holtz, 83, said that being honored by Trump made the award particularly meaningful. "I'm even prouder to receive it from President Donald Trump," said Holtz, who added that Trump was the "greatest president in my lifetime." A graduate of Kent State, Holtz also served seven years as an officer in the U.S. Army Reserves. The West Virginia native was among the speakers at this year's Republican National Convention, offering Trump a strong endorsement while attacking the president's Democratic rival, Joe Biden. In his remarks, Holtz called Biden a Catholic "in name only." Biden is a practicing Catholic. Notre Dame's president, the Rev. John I. Jenkins, later issued a statement admonishing the former coach for using the university's name in his remarks, saying it "must not be taken to imply" that Notre Dame endorses Holtz's views, any candidate or any political party. Jenkins also admonished Holtz for questioning the "sincerity" of Biden's faith. Trump announced the week after Holtz's convention speech that he would honor the retired coach with the medal. "Wherever Lou went, football glory followed," Trump said at a ceremony that included about 30 people, most of whom did not wear masks. Holtz disclosed on Nov. 19 that he had tested positive for the coronavirus. Holtz is one of several sports figures Trump has awarded the Medal of Freedom during his time in office. Others include former NFL Hall of Famer and Minnesota Supreme Court Justice Alan Page, Olympic track and field athlete and former Rep. Jim Ryun, golfer Tiger Woods, businessman and motorsports icon Roger Penske, Hall of Fame quarterback Roger Staubach, pro basketball greats Bob Cousy and Jerry West, and baseball legends Babe Ruth and Mariano Rivera.

Well I knew it would not take long for you to post your "Kick out the Catholics" take. As stated in all my previous posts, you might have 5% of the Administrators and few if any walking the halls of the IHSAA headquarters that support this. But you keep trying!

While I agree he know very little about X's and O's, he knows even less about the Jimmy and Joes who are the primary reasons for success in a PROGRAM.

Coach Brevard is a sensational human being.

Sagarin's going to be problematic even in non-COVID years as, if I'm not mistaken, Indiana has at least one closed-conference schedule ... someone please remind me of the conference(s) ... which makes Sagarins for teams in that conference relatively unreliable. As a matter of fact, conferences in Indiana are potentially the big wrench in figuring out the situation and, most solutions might actually weaken the current conference structure or alter their current scheduling. For example, in the Hoosier Conference, but this could apply to any conference and the way they schedule games. Teams play four games within conference division, two games cross-division, and then a conference crossover "championship" which pits top in one division against top in the other, second in one division against second in the other, etc. Seven games are locked in with two flexible for rivalry games, etc. For top teams in divisions, it'd be less of an issue year-to-year, since you'd be, presumably, playing teams with relatively higher Sagarin ratings. Would there be a push for teams who might more traditionally be in the mid-/lower- grouping of those crossover championships to push the conference to drop those to allow for possibly scheduling an outside opponent to build on the standing? Or possibly push for loosening restrictions of the out-of-division required games to allow more pick-up of "stronger" games? Also, with some conferences, the appeal is proximity. Would some of those members feel the pressure of leaving the conference to push for different competition? Would there eventually be conferences that fully realign from their traditional make-up specifically to address post-season or would there potentially be a lot a lot more teams going independent either because they didn't like restrictions of a conference or no local conferences taking them? Would there be a more profound impact in more rural areas? In Texas, a big part of the reason that their qualification works, besides the sheer number of teams which makes all-in infeasible, is that teams are assigned to proximity-based districts based on size of school. There are no conferences, no one chooses which district they want or don't want to belong to. Most districts are 8 to 10 schools and you typically play everyone in your district to make the within district numbers apples-and-apples. The state takes the top 4 teams in a district to qualify for the post-season. Of course, there's nothing that assures between-district parities, so potentially, the 5th place school in your district could be better than the 3rd-place school in the next district, but they go to the post-season and you stay home. Typically you don't see a lot of cross-over play, if any, between classes.

Rumors and 50 cents can get you a senior coffee at McDonald's. Both about as equally filling too.

Bugaboo has been not winning close games That is the narrative so far in the Brohm era. Very close.... I forget the stat, but something silly loss rate of 1 touchdown or less. frustrating. Each week, B10 OL's just Bully the front of Purdue. no surgar coating it. Then the offense for whatever reason couldn't find its grove against RUTGERS..... so disappointing Not giving up..... not calling for a change.. need to find a way

I’ve heard the same thing. We’ll see. Caleb Ellspermann is quick, elusive, and athletic. And he performed well when called upon this year - especially in the win over Castle. But he may be better suited to be a slot receiver than a QB.

If no playoffs existed, would there have been a need for classes?

I offered that in another thread to create a MEGA school with Jeff/Harrison/McCutcheon which would become the largest school in Indiana and eclipse Carmel by roughly half a grand, but I was told it would make for boring football in the Lafayette area.

They need to increase the number of reactions you can have in a day. Already reached my limit before making it to this thread! Well played, sir.

Hence my "Circle Jerk" reference with Dante. This will continue endlessly Muda. BTW - Here's a perfect example of how progressives ruin something, or at least come up with a solution to a non-existent problem where the solution makes absolutely no sense, except to them...... https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/san-francisco-bans-smoking-tobacco-in-apartments-but-not-marijuana/ar-BB1bzt8d San Francisco bans smoking tobacco in apartments, but not marijuana Tim Balk 17 hrs ago To be blunt, it was a loss for tobacco. An ordinance passed by the San Francisco Board of Supervisors on Tuesday bans city residents from smoking tobacco inside their apartments but allows them to smoke pot at home, the San Francisco Chronicle reported. The legislation, which passed by a 10-1 vote, impacts buildings with more than two units and makes San Francisco the largest U.S. city to snuff out cigarette smoke in apartments, according to the Chronicle. “Secondhand smoke causes harm,” Norman Yee, the president of the board of supervisors, said in a Tuesday night tweet, adding that “everyone should have clean air to breathe where they live.” The ordinance reportedly banned the smoking of marijuana in an earlier iteration but was changed amid concerns that the legislation would rob pot smokers of the only place they can legally light up. LOL - WUT? And I would want this group having more of a say in the Presidential election than me?

Yep. All we need is Chatard, Brebeuf, and Guerin in 2A and Pioneer will get to be the honorary PP school, ala West Lafayette, in the Petite Sectional of Death.

Never taken anything serious from MaxPreps, save for stats when used correctly. It's all about "star" rankings in my opinion. An elementary kid could go to one of the major recruiting sites and select this team in 15 minutes.

I though football was the ultimate team game. Individual accolades (with the exception of scholarships) are nothing compared to team awards. Plus, this thread is not going to be on topic in less than a page.

Ouch! McCutcheon and Anderson lost to Harrison by a combined 84-14 this season ... McCutcheon was shutout. Kokomo didn't play due to KOVID, but was KO'd by McCutcheon 24-7 in the first round of sectionals. Not sure Cathedral plays those two games of sectionals, but it should be lots of opportunity for non-starters to get playing time in tourney play. This will almost all but assure that LCC or Pioneer or both would likely be back in 1A in the 2023 cycle. If IHSAA were smart, they'd find a way to put them in different regions to give potential that they both stay up in 2A.

They're also not in 6A which is what this thread is about.

Yes, I believe it established the direct election of Senators in each state. What does that have to do with the election of the POTUS? As a citizen of the state of Indiana I generally don't care who the senators of say, Oregon, are or how they were elected. It is really none of my business. But how the POTUS, a position which represents the USA to all citizens and the world at large, is a another matter entirely. The problem with you Dante is that you are globalist, a frequent trait of progressives. They love to stick their nose into the business of other entities, and use the force of government to make sure their nose is smelled.

@Tanka Jaharithis may come as a total shock... Western Boone does not use an EZ camera. Somehow, by the grace of God they were able to win 3 State Championships in a row. I would assume winning without EZ camera is equivolent to playing/winning up 2 classes?

Do away with conferences. Utilize sectionals as districts. Top 4 or 6 teams (1A-4A) from each make the playoffs (based on district standings). Playoffs feature cross sectional matchups based on seeds based on district standings. 10 game regular season. 7 district games, 3 non-district games to schedule as you choose. No formulas. No controversy. It's far fetched but it's essentially what Kentucky does molded to fit Indiana. Districts change every two years when enrollments are reclassified. Many of the sectionals are conference opponents anyway. 3 open weeks give you the opportunity to schedule a rival if they aren't in your district. You can schedule easy or tough, whichever serves your school best. It'll never pass, but this experience was the best I've ever had as a coach. I've been on both ends of the spectrum in Indiana. Having had the opportunity to see it done different, it makes no sense how Indiana does it. I don't expect many to agree, and that is fine. Just one man's opinion.

I certainly don't have entitlement. I simply said I don't understand where the thought comes that playoffs are an earned thing. Yes some states do it that way, but playoffs simply is a system of games after the regular season to decide which teams advance to play for the championship. There are multiple ways to hold a playoff. You won't hear anything positive about the all in format used by Ohio this year. There are 2 reasons for that. The first is they did not like having 6 only 6 regular season games. The second and most important is how the seeding was decided in each Region. Leaving it to coaches votes where a conference could intentionally vote other teams lower to gain homefield advantage in the later games. Like I said you can have an all in format and make regular season games have more meaning by seeding and using ability to gain homefield advantage. You can also have a earn your way in playoff, but they would have to come up with something similar to Ohio's Harbin points because Sagarin will NOT work as it doesn't account for out of state opponents.

It is not a misprint just a misinterpretation of the wording. I will explain to you and @Grandpa B from when I inquired about the Shamrock Scholar Program with the director of admissions 8 and 9 years ago when looking to send my children to Cathedral. It specifically states "Shamrock Scholar grantors choose to provide a quarter, half or full need-based tuition assistance scholarship" not "Shamrock Scholar grantors choose to provide a quarter, half or full tuition assistance scholarship". It is not for a quarter, half, or full tuition of $15,756. It is for quarter, half, or full need-based portion of tuition (or financial aid). So if a family applies for financial aid for the $15,756 and it is decided to give $8,000 in Financial Aid the donor's for the Shamrock Scholar are providing a quarter, half, or the full of that $8,000 (so $2,000, $4,000, or $8,000 just an example). Alumni and families donate in many ways to the Financial Aid funds, the amount awarded in Financial Aid is determined by an application process that comes from tax documentation. What Shamrock Scholar allows is for the donors not only to give money for Financial Aid but to be more involved than just donating money for Financial Aid and becoming a mentor for the child receiving financial aid. That is what was explained to me when I inquired while looking t send my children there. Hope that helps without the "fireworks"😆 Yes Cathedral does sponsor events at many of the deanery schools. There is a reason for that. Cathedral actually was one of the original Archdioscese High Schools and located downtown Indianapolis opening in 1918. Long before Sacred Heart was built 1930 (renamed Kennedy in 1966), Scecina 1953, Chatard 1960, Chatrand 1962, Ritter 1964, and Roncalli formed from consolidation of Chatrand and Kennedy in 1969. Those schools were being built because of overcrowding of Cathedral High School. The Archdiocese decided to close Cathedral's doors and the school was reopened by alumni who moved it to it's current location. Cathedral has long standing roots with all of the deanery schools across Indianapolis. There are many legacy alumni names from all of the deanery schools. That is why still to this day sponsor events in North, East, South, and West deanery schools. Nobody will ever deny that kids attend Cathedral from all 4 of those deanery's. And yes there have been families from West Deanery schools that have sent their kids to Roncalli and Chatard same as East Deanery, but that was the choice of those families (some of which are legacy kids that had parents that attended Roncalli or Chatard).

Thanks for sharing Irish. As you know, you and new haven always have a fan with me. Fantastic. Will be following from nwi.

They advertise at the school and sponsor events (festivals, athletic events, etc.). Just one way Cathedral is different from parochials. For instance, Chatard is restricted from doing something like this because Nativity is a south deanery parish and Chatard is a north deanery high school. You’ll find plenty of students at Cathedral from the south deanery. Very few (if any) at Chatard.

Mishawaka, as much tournament success or more than any of those teams the last 2-3 years.

North Side Legends in Fort Wayne may open. Brevard is joining St. Francis. https://www.wane.com/high-school-sports/brevard-takes-position-at-usf-after-four-seasons-at-north-side/

They showed that one good year doesn't mean anything when Russ Yeast didn't win.

Just because you don’t like that I’m calling it out doesn’t mean it’s “completely false and laughable.” I mean, it even says so on the school website... “ Shamrock Scholar grantors choose to provide a quarter, half or full need-based tuition assistance scholarship for a student for the duration of their time at Cathedral (generally four years).” The above is copied directly from https://www.gocathedral.com/giving/cathedral-fund/supportshamrockscholars In addition, your claim that poor old Cathedral only pulls from north deanery schools is also bogus. Your Mr. Football candidate quarterback went to St. Roch (south deanery), your D1 sophomore TE went to St. Michael (west deanery), not to mention the multiple public school kids on roster. Cathedral also invites every student from the archdiocese, not just north deanery, to attend their open house. Cathedral is a sponsor of the south deanery parish I belong to- Nativity- and consistently attracts students from there. I can also add that I’ve sat down with a Holy Name family frustrated that Roncalli could not match the financial aid package Cathedral was offering them. The kid went to Cathedral for free. These are facts. If you want to call them “irresponsible” and “laughable,” then I don’t know what to tell you.

Been there....back when Park Tudor would let us borrow their field for it. Seems both 100 years ago and, yet, just yesterday.......all at the same time.

It's that Sectional Champion item that's in question and what @temptation might have been alluding too. LCC was supposed to play TPCS in the Sectional Championship as the AWAY team. TCPS forfeited due to COVID. That would have then triggered the seldom-used clause, "*If regional winner has not hosted either sectional final or regional, that school will be the designated host." IHSAA ended up treating that game as an LCC home game and that's what made the other clause, "*Regional non-host, if applicable, or higher sectional # (i.e., Sect. 2 is higher than Sect. 1)" kick in. LCC played one game of four actually played in post-season at home ... opening weekend ... and one of five scheduled at home. It was scheduled to play sectional championship away ... played the regional away ... and played semi-state away too.

Don't disagree with most of what you said. And yes clearly in Indiana the all in format is doable. I would just prefer a 10 game regular season with seeded playoffs of a max of 32 teams per class qualifying. Doesn't make either way right or wrong, that's just my preference. I think you should have to "earn" your way in.

I literally cannot roll my eyes any further back into my head after that statement......Come on Dante.... This argument/debate becomes a circle-jerk every time I hear it. As you can most likely surmise, I am on the constitutional side of this argument with Muda. Anytime I see someone meander down this path of "we are a democracy", I cringe. The article is making some valid points regarding the effects of our republic to this date, but I can see no legitimate argument to support actually changing the government, just some one complaining about it.. (IMHO)

Too many awesome memories to count. Being at my son's last practice last Friday and watching him walk off the field and tap the goal post one last time was really special. He ended his season and career with a win on Saturday, and that was pretty great too.

https://reason.com/2020/12/02/private-charity-beats-one-size-fits-all-government/ Agreed. A spot-on commentary by Mr. Stossel. The government "War on Poverty" has been an abject failure.

Thank you! It seems there are two people on this board who have no interest in anything but their own agendas.

The reason 6A is 32 teams is because that's the number needed to have a tournament without byes. Same with 5A. And the way the numbers work, there will always be around 310-325 schools playing football in the state, which provides pretty good numbers for two 32-team tournaments and four 64-team ones. There are always going to be schools in the bottom end of the largest class - no matter how big/small you make it - that feel slighted and will not have the resources of the megaschools. The IHSAA already rejected a proposal to reduce Class 4A to 64 schools in the other sports (baseball, basketball, softball, volleyball) - and really, went out of its way to kill it by amending a good proposal and adding in the awful idea to play the four-team 4A basketball sectionals in one day. The IHSAA's mission is to support schools, provide and adjudicate eligibility rules and to sponsor championships. While the class system and success factor provide a sense of "competitive balance," there will always be some haves and have-nots in any system. Splitting the old 5A into two 32-team classes was a response. No matter what the system or how many schools are there, Ben Davis, Center Grove, Carmel and Warren Central are likely going to dominate whatever the class is. No matter what the makeup is of the big class - 16, 24, 32 or 64 schools, those four are likely going to pile up the titles.

The subscription is free and all have something in common ... they all pertain to threads already created here on GID. And I'd be remiss if I didn't help spread @LCCAlum's and @gonzoron's efforts and also try to help out @Coach Nowlin's annual efforts in stating that, while said subscription is free, it helps GID if folks donate.

This season was tough, for a variety of reasons, but it was certainly tough. The overall cathartic moment we had coming from behind to beat Franklin first round of sectional play is something I will never forget. We were down 27-3 late in the 3rd and found a way to win. It wasn't the best win this program has ever had nor will it be the one everyone ever talks about, but seeing our seniors literally cry tears of joy/relief at the end of that game is most certainly the highlight of this season for me.

Never thought I would see the day when the suburban school with 2700 kids took it to programs like WC/BD and beat them into submission. 2021-22 will be the deciding factors to whether or not it is a trend or just a speed bump. I know where you stand... (Calling this thread now for over 100 responses with over 50 percent of them being insults @DT for his "hot take." Folks so easily "offended" yet play right into his hands.)

THN Coach Barrett Retiring Terre Haute North will be looking for a new head football coach. Coach Barrett is retiring after 19 seasons.